35mm lens delivery

[c6gowin]

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...But if you want to talk worst case the R is a classic example of getting left in the dust ' date=' will the S have the same outcome. With that in mind for a prospective S buyer that will play a role. I know i have thought about it when considering the S2. That's 50 k in smoke if Leica says they don't want to play anymore... [/quote']

 

There is no question that Leica's decision to discontinue the R system gave me cause for concern when I considered buying into the S system. Ultimately, I came to the conclusion that there are plenty of photographers still happily using their R systems. The camera and lenses still make beautiful images and will continue to do so for a long time. The only concern I had for the S system was that Leica stay in it long enough to release the lenses I want. That concern is long gone now as it appears the S2 is selling well, more lens are getting in the market, and Leica has returned to making a profit. All-in-all, I think the future is looking great for the S2.

 

... Again this is simply doing your homework when you start laying out that check to buy' date=' obviously some will not care but when your talking 20k up these decisions become increasingly more important. As I have said a million time do your homework here , test the systems and make smart decisions for yourself and watch who the hell you are talking too when writing that check and what benefits they gain from you writing it.[/quote']

 

I agree completely - at least it was important for me. However, if some wants to spend >$28k without doing their homework then that's their business. I wish I was in a financial position to through around $28k without care.

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[Guest guy_mancuso]

LOL I'm looking for lunch money. ROTFLMAO

[dfarkas]

Good point my setup is a pain with batteries. I pack the dual charger in my suitcase for sure but I carry 4 extra batteries and not to mention extra double AA's for the body itself. So yes the S2 battery will be a advantage the downside though and this is something else that needs considering. I can replace or buy a very common video cam battery for the back pretty easily and AA are available almost anywhere. The downside for the S2 and Hassy actually is the proprietary battery that you can't just walk into a Best Buy per say and get a replacement. So yes you save weight but now you may think i need 3 to travel with and they are bigger than the Phase battery. Obviously the numbers are what you want to cover but more decisions on how you want to be setup. And I do agree the S2 battery has some really good life to it. All this stuff has to be considered. One other thing the S2 actually fits the common bag as well since most of the shoulder bags( Domke for instance ) is setup for 35mm style. Again more crap to think about. I carry a small backpack but if I wanted a shoulder bag than some things change because of the designs. Most folks don't even think about this stuff.

 

I've personally seen a photographer bang off 1900 shots (160GB) on the S2 and he still had 1/3rd battery charge left. I personally get about 1000 shots per charge, but have yet to run one down all the way. Some of the professional photographers we have dealt with who have chosen to go with S2 stated battery life and usable LCD as their top reasons why they decided to get out of their other MFD systems and into the S2. This is becoming a more common sentiment, especially among the pros who have used the camera, although I haven't really seen much discussion on the forums about it. Both of these advantages come courtesy of the Maestro processor. Just like I can watch movies on my iPad for 10 hours straight because of the very efficient and fast A4 processor, the Maestro is a custom-made ASIC for the S2, not off-the-shelf hardware that gulps power and doesn't have the horsepower to drive a hi-res display.

 

When we take P1 backs in trade, I've seen no less than 6 and usually 12 batteries with the back. I asked the (soon-to-be former) owner of a P30 recently why he carried 6 batteries in the field with him. His reply (with a smile and wink) was that "well.... I carry 6 batteries because I really don't shoot that much." Granted, the + backs have a bit better battery performance, but I'll let users like Victor comment (he's had both non-+ and + backs). When combined with the twin charger(s) and the 6 AA batteries (usually 2 sets) for the body, along with charger for Phase/Mamiya body or 2-3 battery "grips" and charger for an H body, you end up with quite a lot of battery and charger bulk. With the S2, you can get by with one small Li-Ion battery and a very, very compact charger. This makes a big difference when packing your bags. If it makes you sleep better at night, you can throw an extra battery in the bag, but you probably will never go through more than one battery in any given day of shooting.

 

Oh and just for the sake of obsessiveness, I just measured and weighed an S2 battery versus a Phase battery. The S battery is the same width and depth and is 8mm taller. It weighs 0.7oz (19g) more (4.1oz vs. 3.4oz).

 

David

[Guest guy_mancuso]

David I never get through 3 batteries a day and I shoot a lot. So what's your point, what about the weight and bulk of the glass and accessories and such. Why do you answer only half the equation. Or is it the only half you chose to ignore.

 

David your the dealer so tell us what the real weight is when you put body , 35, 70 180 and 120 on a scale with two batteries and how big a space it takes. I think that is what your customers really want to know and how does that all compare to other systems like a D3X, Hassy , Phase and such.

 

 

This is useful data not what somebody traded in. That is useless data for customers and not going to make buy decisions on what people trade. There are thousands of trades a day to all kinds of systems it is meaningless. Just look at the B&S forums, mine is constantly on fire with sales same here. Tells us nothing.

 

I have work to get too so I don't really care but maybe some prospective buyers would and that is why your on the forums right to make sales:rolleyes:

[stunsworth]

...that is why your on the forums right to make sales:rolleyes:

 

David has provided a lot of useful information regardless of whether someone is going to buy anything from him. I think you ought to apologise to him for that.

[gogopix]

I dont want to pick on the Phase batteries, but they are 2000 to 2500mah older Canon design I believe. They run down pretty fast, take LONG to charge and also weaken considerably over time. It would be good if Phase could come up with a later technology, faster recharge.

 

On the last trip, I actually got by with oneS2 battery, (ahemmm had to, only had one! LOL)

[Guest guy_mancuso]

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David has provided a lot of useful information regardless of whether someone is going to buy anything from him. I think you ought to apologise to him for that.

 

Here you go again Steve telling people what to do, what gives YOU that right to tell ME what to do. Can't seem to keep out of people's business and no I will not apologize in anyway shape or form when i am correct. David and I have known each other for years and he knows exactly what I am talking about.

 

Yes Victor I get 300, 400 shots per charge and there toast and I agree a design change is in order. The one good part is they are very cheap at like a Best Buy so replacing them yearly or so is not so bad. I totally agree a design change would be great but also Phase is one of the few that hold there on battery to back so for tech cam users the way to go as the best way to work with them than what Hassy does with a external pack. The S2 obviously does not have a dual role for there batteries so it can be integrated between sensor and body.

[Constable]

Peter,

 

Enjoy the trip to India. Let us know if you actually get the 35mm. I'm still waiting for mine ... not to mention the 120 mm. I'm otherwise very happy. Especially interested to hear how you get on with the 180 mm .... I have almost decided this is a tripod only lense, when it is amazingly sharp.

 

Ed

[stunsworth]

Here you go again Steve telling people what to do, what gives YOU that right to tell ME what to do.

 

It's a forum Guy, people are free to express their opinions. That's what I did. I was neither rude nor did I resort to a personal attack. I stated my opinion.

[elansprint72]

Ah, the things you find when looking through old posts:

 

...................................... I know some of you will really think i fell off a prefectly good riding machine and jumped in a sports car with a busted shock absorber and maybe there right. But I love the M lenses and NEVER seen anything better than this glass and i really have fallen for RF shooting . I guess some are wondering why i am even starting this thread but the fact is i have enough confidence in the M8 now to move forward with even some of the last remaining warts. If i really need a DSLR for a job it is a easy 20 minute ride to rent anything i need and also to confirm that I think the M8 is all that and ready for this adventure. Wish me a good ride. Thanks Guy

 

 

[Guest guy_mancuso]

It's a forum Guy, people are free to express their opinions. That's what I did. I was neither rude nor did I resort to a personal attack. I stated my opinion.

 

And so did I so why are you questioning me . This works both ways i can express my opinion anytime I want who are you to tell me to apologize or tell me what to do on any level.

 

Frankly you are being the rude one.

[andybarton]

No one is bring rude. Please calm down. Thanks.

[Guest guy_mancuso]

Ah, the things you find when looking through old posts:

 

...................................... I know some of you will really think i fell off a prefectly good riding machine and jumped in a sports car with a busted shock absorber and maybe there right. But I love the M lenses and NEVER seen anything better than this glass and i really have fallen for RF shooting . I guess some are wondering why i am even starting this thread but the fact is i have enough confidence in the M8 now to move forward with even some of the last remaining warts. If i really need a DSLR for a job it is a easy 20 minute ride to rent anything i need and also to confirm that I think the M8 is all that and ready for this adventure. Wish me a good ride. Thanks Guy

 

 

 

And I meant every word than and still do. I loved the M8 , my problem was the files where simply not big enough to handle client needs and i also said that but you conveniently did not look for that post. Which I said many times how much I love the M8 but my needs have changed as clients where making wall size stuff from them without me knowing and they where falling apart as they should. I needed to move to a much higher MPX cam to handle it which I promptly did. If you think I really care what name is on the front than you are sadly mistaken. I am after gear that fits my needs plain and simple and I have and always will turn anything on a dime if there is something better. I also have said that a hundred times. You want to try for more be my guest

 

Next time before you try to make someone look bad you better do your research really well . I never change my story on anything ever. I loved the DMR and the M8 but my M8's lived in Germany for 6 months as I had two Sudden Death Failures and lived on loaners for 6 months. That has never been said until now in public. So watch what you say my friend as your looking at me with crooked teeth , I am not after leica and have protected the from many things on the back end of life.

 

Frankly I would love to have a M9 as it would serve me really well and my MF system. BTW I tested that too and gave it a great review as i did the S2. So please tell me your point as well. Let me make another point NO ONE gave out raws except ME on both of those reviews . Maybe you should go actually read them before you try to bring people down you sewer drain.

[andybarton]

Crooked teeth?

 

Are you making personal insults against English people Guy? We know what you mean by that.

[stunsworth]

And so did I so why are you questioning me . This works both ways i can express my opinion anytime I want who are you to tell me to apologize or tell me what to do on any level.

 

Frankly you are being the rude one.

 

Of course you can express your opinion any time you wish, and as far as I'm concerned you're totally entitled to do so. The other side of that particular coin is that people are free to disagree with anything you write if they happen to, well, disagree with it.

 

I am not being rude. Firm, yes, rude, no.

[Guest guy_mancuso]

No one is bring rude. Please calm down. Thanks.

 

Frankly I disagree Andy this Steve guy has nothing better to do than tell me what to do, which this is the only way he addresses me so let's make this a formal complaint now since he repeatedly does this on EVERY occasion I am on this forum, this behavior by definition is called a troll and you got my formal complaint what you do with that is a moderators decision but I feel very uncomfortable here posting with this person following me around and making rude comments and as a member i have the right to formally complain. I find his comments to me rude and intrusive on my opinion and furthermore I fear for my rights on this forum to post freely without harrassment. Thank you very much

[Guest guy_mancuso]

Of course you can express your opinion any time you wish, and as far as I'm concerned you're totally entitled to do so. The other side of that particular coin is that people are free to disagree with anything you write if they happen to, well, disagree with it.

 

If I am entitled to do so than why do YOU even start and anyone can disagree with me anytime they want but here is your comment and that is not a disagreement. It is a barking order so get your definitions straight.

 

And I quote

 

I think you ought to apologise to him for that. That is telling someone what to do and not a disagreement. If you want to disagree than disagree on the details that I provide as data not this bullshit. For the last and final time LEAVE ME THE F..K ALONE. You are harassing me

[Guest guy_mancuso]

Crooked teeth?

 

Are you making personal insults against English people Guy? We know what you mean by that.

 

That one i would have no clue on. LOL

 

BTW aren't I English as well. Sort of

 

Andy i have done this in private as well and to no avail. Get this guy off my back, I do not deserve this harassment

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[elansprint72]

................ Let me make another point NO ONE gave out raws except ME on both of those reviews . Maybe you should go actually read them before you try to bring people down you sewer drain.

 

Guy,

You keep telling us that you said this or that "a million", or "a hundred times"; the problem is you put the helm over every time there is a wind shift. One minute this is the best ever and we should all rush to follow you, next minute you are selling it because some other thing is the best ever....... and so on.

 

As for what you just posted, quoted above, I frankly do not understand it, I don't know what giving out raws means and are you calling me a sewer drain? That would be awfully rude, were it the case.

[c6gowin]

...I don't really care but maybe some prospective buyers would and that is why your on the forums right to make sales:rolleyes:

 

Guy, I don't understand why you would say something like this. I have never seen you post anything derogatory like this toward other dealers or vendors who offer information on the forums and also have goods to sell. David isn't posting on the forums to sell products any more than the other dealers and vendors. They all provide valuable information regarding the brands they represent and the forums are better off for it. They are all also photographers in their own right so their onions are pertinent.