Action photography with the X1

[pop]

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I did not go for an "artsy" narrow depth of field, nor did I bother to eliminate distracting elements from the background. Who cares? .

 

Well, if you don't care, neither should we. After all, they're your shots.

 

We're all happy to hear that you, pvak, can use your X1 to do the shots you're pleased with.

[Guest badbob]

Well, if you don't care, neither should we. After all, they're your shots.

We're all happy to hear that you, pvak, can use your X1 to do the shots you're pleased with.

 

What information does this reply convey? I think I'm missing the point.

[leicashot]

Thank you Edward your comments are much more agreeable and your explanation is clearer.

 

I can understand why you weren't happy spending so much money on a camera that appears to be somewhat incapable compared most other cameras that are 1/8 price. Its tough to swallow when one spends so much on something that offers little value in return, but I do stand by my comments about making effort.

 

I have achieved success in photography by working hard at improving and never relying on the camera to do anything for me and that was the point I was trying to make to you, not as an attack, but to help you understand. Most frustration people have with photography comes from misunderstanding, and the biggest misunderstanding is trusting the new multi-zone meters in cameras, and then using aperture priority and other auto modes, thinking they're manual modes, when they're not. While you're deciding how much depth of field to use by selecting the aperture the camera is recalculating the shutter speed each time you press the shutter, even where light changes haven't occurred....and the exposure will change depending on various colors in the frame too and the camera only measure the light reflecting into the camera lens, and NOT the light falling on the subject.

 

Cameras don't measure ambient light, they only measure reflected light and this is a very big flaw. Meaning that even in manual exposure modes, you cannot trust the in-camera meter 100%. I talked about this in a 'whats in the bag' video I did on youtube and I hope it can make sense to you. Unfortunately I don't talk about Leica equipment in the videos.

 

I hope this helps somewhat. I've gone way off topic but hope you're understanding what I'm getting at. Best of luck.

 

 

Agreed, but your assertions about me are way off, dangerous to assume, and presented somewhat rudely(as I read it). I don't wish to argue however, so we should shake and part on this thread. We agree the x1 is a great camera for some, limitations notwithstanding. As for me it just wasn't the right choice to tie up that much money in a device that makes a great second or third camera. Perhaps when I have more money and experience to put into my new hobby, or if leica fixes some of the technological flaws (beyond af being slow) that will change. For my needs it just wasn't right, right now. I don't blame the camera for anything, I do think leica could have made some different choices in the technology they used that would have been no detriment to the end result, and could have greatly enhanced the experience.

 

I personally don't care how one learns best- if it is in a class, reading books, trial and error, combination of any of these. The exception I took was the disparaging of those less accomplished than yourself who may be limited in how they can learn be it by time constraints, financial means, or anything else. There's always someone better, or if not, someone who will be very shortly - no matter the field.

 

You have some nicew shots on your site btw, well done.

[pvak]

Quote:

Originally Posted by pop

Well, if you don't care, neither should we. After all, they're your shots.

We're all happy to hear that you, pvak, can use your X1 to do the shots you're pleased with.

 

What information does this reply convey? I think I'm missing the point.

 

I'm afraid the only information this impolite and unnecessary comment conveys is that the poster decided to go out of his way to show us that he can be deliberately dismissive and insulting for no apparent reason.

[leicashot]

Quote:

Originally Posted by pop

Well, if you don't care, neither should we. After all, they're your shots.

We're all happy to hear that you, pvak, can use your X1 to do the shots you're pleased with.

 

 

 

I'm afraid the only information this impolite and unnecessary comment conveys is that the poster decided to go out of his way to show us that he can be deliberately dismissive and insulting for no apparent reason.

 

Agreed

[Nei1]

A good camera gets in the way as little as possible,.....a leica M,once you are tuned in to its frequency,.....disapears,............this leaves you literally (yes ,I understand that word)closer to reality which ,of course, makes that reality easier to capture.The "leica look" is a translation of the word "reality".It applies to leica M cameras because its what they were designed to be good at.

Once you are closer to reality you will begin to be closer to life and then finally you will take a good photograph.

[Guest stnami]

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Once you are closer to reality you will begin to be closer to life and then finally you will take a good photograph.

love the comment it is as silly as a bum full of smarties:p

[Guest badbob]

I'm afraid the only information this impolite and unnecessary comment conveys is that the poster decided to go out of his way to show us that he can be deliberately dismissive and insulting for no apparent reason.

 

Instead of crying about your hurt feelings, you could keep chin up and answer the question instead.

[h00ligan]

Thank you Edward your comments are much more agreeable and your explanation is clearer.

 

I can understand why you weren't happy spending so much money on a camera that appears to be somewhat incapable compared most other cameras that are 1/8 price. Its tough to swallow when one spends so much on something that offers little value in return, but I do stand by my comments about making effort.

 

I have achieved success in photography by working hard at improving and never relying on the camera to do anything for me and that was the point I was trying to make to you, not as an attack, but to help you understand. Most frustration people have with photography comes from misunderstanding, and the biggest misunderstanding is trusting the new multi-zone meters in cameras, and then using aperture priority and other auto modes, thinking they're manual modes, when they're not. While you're deciding how much depth of field to use by selecting the aperture the camera is recalculating the shutter speed each time you press the shutter, even where light changes haven't occurred....and the exposure will change depending on various colors in the frame too and the camera only measure the light reflecting into the camera lens, and NOT the light falling on the subject.

 

Cameras don't measure ambient light, they only measure reflected light and this is a very big flaw. Meaning that even in manual exposure modes, you cannot trust the in-camera meter 100%. I talked about this in a 'whats in the bag' video I did on youtube and I hope it can make sense to you. Unfortunately I don't talk about Leica equipment in the videos.

 

I hope this helps somewhat. I've gone way off topic but hope you're understanding what I'm getting at. Best of luck.

 

I try hard every day..I spend hours a day learning. Again I think you are generalizing without knowing me. I appreciate the thoughts into metering, I'll look more deeply into that as a point to better understand.

[pvak]

Instead of crying about your hurt feelings, you could keep chin up and answer the question instead.

 

I'm sorry, but what question are you asking about???

[Guest badbob]

I'm sorry, but what question are you asking about???

 

Instead of saying that the question (9 posts above) is impolite, dismissive, and insulting (3 accusations), why not consider it might be serious?

[pvak]

Instead of saying that the question (9 posts above) is impolite, dismissive, and insulting (3 accusations), why not consider it might be serious?

 

I think you misunderstood! I was not referring to YOUR question as dismissive but to the comments originally posted by POP:

 

"Well, if you don't care, neither should we. After all, they're your shots.

We're all happy to hear that you, pvak, can use your X1 to do the shots you're pleased with."

 

That's what I felt to be impolite, unhelpful and uncalled-for. I'm sorry if my post was not clear!

[Nei1]

love the comment it is as silly as a bum full of smarties:p

:)thanks,.life is so much easier if you choose to walk on anothers shoulders,no?

[brill64]

love the comment it is as silly as a bum full of smarties:p

 

how many can you get in?

[Guest stnami]

not as many as the brilliant 64:eek:

[leicashot]

such a shame this thread has become so negative, when all the OP wanted to do was share his opinion from first hand experience with the X1

[Guest badbob]

I think you misunderstood! I was not referring to YOUR question as dismissive but to the comments originally posted by POP:

 

Now I feel really dumb. But that's OK - better dumb than confused. (I think)

[Guest badbob]

such a shame this thread has become so negative, when all the OP wanted to do was share his opinion from first hand experience with the X1

 

Some of the tricky things are just darn hard to remember. I know when so many comments came in the early days about the shifting dials, I thought all I have to do is make a habit of checking each time before I take a series of shots. And I've gotten pretty good at that now, so shifting dials don't bother me any more. Now it's half-press on the shutter to cut that shutter lag. I wonder if anyone else has found this to be a reliable method, to speed up the shot.

[leicashot]

Some of the tricky things are just darn hard to remember. I know when so many comments came in the early days about the shifting dials, I thought all I have to do is make a habit of checking each time before I take a series of shots. And I've gotten pretty good at that now, so shifting dials don't bother me any more. Now it's half-press on the shutter to cut that shutter lag. I wonder if anyone else has found this to be a reliable method, to speed up the shot.

 

It's the "only" method to speed up a shot ;-)

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