ravinj Posted July 15, 2010 Share #81 Posted July 15, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Google Traduttore Interesting link. Viewing the last 3 pictures (woman's face) at full size, I would say that Sony looks the best in terms of resolution. E-PL1 looks a bit oversharpened and the bokeh shows that. Leica's bokeh seems to the smoothest. The skin tones are different in all three. Leica's has a bit reddish tone, maybe that is the closest to the subject's real skin tone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted July 15, 2010 Posted July 15, 2010 Hi ravinj, Take a look here Sony NEX 5 vs Leica x1. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
barjohn Posted July 15, 2010 Share #82 Posted July 15, 2010 Well, one of the problems is comparing an inexpensive kit lens to a high priced Leica lens. So here are some NEX shots using a Leica 40/2 Rokkor lens. The first is a comparison to the Ricoh GXR A12. I will add a few more. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/123107-sony-nex-5-vs-leica-x1/?do=findComment&comment=1378469'>More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted July 15, 2010 Share #83 Posted July 15, 2010 I will have to look at this when my eyes are more alert. There is a very obvious difference though. The right seems oversharpened, while the left could use a little post work. Were these jpeg or raw? I'm actually not sure it's oversharpened.. i'm tired.. sorry for the useless response and thanks for the comparison.. i'll revisit in the AM when I can actually offer something. The one on the right seems clear.. but I'm not sure, maybe some artifacting from jpg. Very different feel to them both, interesting comparison. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted July 15, 2010 Share #84 Posted July 15, 2010 Here is the kit lens compared to the leica 40/2 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/123107-sony-nex-5-vs-leica-x1/?do=findComment&comment=1378471'>More sharing options...
barjohn Posted July 15, 2010 Share #85 Posted July 15, 2010 Finally, the Leica lens on the NEX5 using raw conversions in Bibble 5 Pro. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/123107-sony-nex-5-vs-leica-x1/?do=findComment&comment=1378473'>More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted July 15, 2010 Share #86 Posted July 15, 2010 On this (second comparison) the second is sharper.. with seemingly better colors. But it is close. You may be tricking my brain On the third.. oh I'll just stop until tomorrow. Thanks for posting these, informative - I just need to wake up to absorb! Thanks John. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted July 15, 2010 Share #87 Posted July 15, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) On this the second is sharper.. with seemingly better colors. But it is close. You may be tricking my brain I'm not sure which one you are referring to. But the Leica has less distortion than the kit and is much sharper. The kit EXIF will show the lens setting the Leica won't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted July 15, 2010 Share #88 Posted July 15, 2010 I was talking about the bookshelf shot.. but again, I've been up 28 hrs today.. so my judgment is not great I'll check back in on this tomorrow and look forward to the comparison. If a camera at nearly 1/3 the price can come close, that's impressive. Sorry if you mentioned it, but when you say kit lens - do you mean the prime or zoom? I'm guessing zoom as the prime looked awful to me in previous samples. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted July 15, 2010 Share #89 Posted July 15, 2010 Perhaps this 100% crop will help you. The Leica shot is on top. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/123107-sony-nex-5-vs-leica-x1/?do=findComment&comment=1378485'>More sharing options...
barjohn Posted July 15, 2010 Share #90 Posted July 15, 2010 Here is a shot comparing the M8 to the NEX 5. The M* shot was at ISO 160 and the NEX shot was at ISO 400. Also, the Leica shot used a real high quality Leica lens. (Obviously not taken at the same time (I don't have the M8 any longer) and the lighting was different. Leica was set to sharpening 75 and the NEX to sharpening 0. Both were auto white balanced. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/123107-sony-nex-5-vs-leica-x1/?do=findComment&comment=1378488'>More sharing options...
RichardM8 Posted July 15, 2010 Share #91 Posted July 15, 2010 I'm trying to figure out what these comparisons are intended to show? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted July 15, 2010 Share #92 Posted July 15, 2010 I'm trying to figure out what these comparisons are intended to show? What ever your eyes tell you. To explain a little better there have been several threads claiming that the NEX files are too soft. What this shows, if nothing else, is that with a Leiac lens the camera produces very sharp pictures, perhaps sharper than the M8 with more detail and DR. Additionally, the noise comparisons have been done without the benefit of a decent raw converter. As this next ISO 3200 shot 100% crop shows taken at f2, 40mm, 1/80 sec. it can produce very clean and detailed shots. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/123107-sony-nex-5-vs-leica-x1/?do=findComment&comment=1378494'>More sharing options...
barjohn Posted July 15, 2010 Share #93 Posted July 15, 2010 Finally, a 50% crop of a shot straight from the camera JPG with Leica 40/2 lens. This thing sings with Leica lenses. From other threads I gather that it works well with the 28/2 and 35/1.4 too. I will be interested to see how it does with CV lenses as they cost less but are very close to Leica in performance. By the way with 7X and 14x magnification focusing is easy and very accurate. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/123107-sony-nex-5-vs-leica-x1/?do=findComment&comment=1378503'>More sharing options...
phancj Posted July 15, 2010 Share #94 Posted July 15, 2010 I think the lack of AF with Leica lenses is a big minus, not to mention the vast disparity of price of the camera compared to the lenses. Personally if I wanted a compact camera, I will buy one system where the lenses and the camera are by the same company so as to enjoy better integration. Adaptors, etc are only make-do solutions and most of the time, too much compromises are made. I would wait for the Nex6 or nex7 coz right now, the truth is Nex lenses are not good enough except for perhaps P&S upgraders. To use Leica lenses on a Nex body is already proof that Sony lenses don't cut it. Therefore, I do not see this as a NEX5 vs Leica X1 issue, rather the failure of Sony to provide good E-mount lenses and the vast superiority of Leica lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phancj Posted July 15, 2010 Share #95 Posted July 15, 2010 Just a quick thought, much has been said of the X1's slow AF as a big issue, now we are talking about using MF only coz the Nex5 cannot use AF with Leica lenses??!! How can there be any comparison that is meaningful??!! Muahahahah!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardM8 Posted July 15, 2010 Share #96 Posted July 15, 2010 and to add, the tread was/is about the NEX5 vs. the X1 I believe. Or at least it started that way... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted July 15, 2010 Share #97 Posted July 15, 2010 On the X1 you have slow AF and virtually unusable MF. The X1 with Leica or CV lenses is MF but it is at least very usable and easy to do whether you use ZF or the easy to see magnified image and the focusing ring on the lens. In this regard, it is not worse than an M8 or M9 and I would argue that for those with less than perfect vision it is actually better and easier. The NEX is smaller and lighter than the M8 can give you AF with lower quality glass or superior MF with high quality glass. None of the others offer that. If Sony offers a high quality EVF it will be a better M8 than the M8 in terms of IQ, portability and flexibility. It will also be able to use a range of lenses that the M8 will never be able to use and let's face it you are stuck with one lens on the X1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardM8 Posted July 15, 2010 Share #98 Posted July 15, 2010 and let's face it you are stuck with one lens on the X1. I've got a hunch that most - if not all - X1 owners knew that before they bought it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phancj Posted July 15, 2010 Share #99 Posted July 15, 2010 On the X1 you have slow AF and virtually unusable MF. The X1 with Leica or CV lenses is MF but it is at least very usable and easy to do whether you use ZF or the easy to see magnified image and the focusing ring on the lens. In this regard, it is not worse than an M8 or M9 and I would argue that for those with less than perfect vision it is actually better and easier. The NEX is smaller and lighter than the M8 can give you AF with lower quality glass or superior MF with high quality glass. None of the others offer that. If Sony offers a high quality EVF it will be a better M8 than the M8 in terms of IQ, portability and flexibility. It will also be able to use a range of lenses that the M8 will never be able to use and let's face it you are stuck with one lens on the X1. Truth is the X1 AF though slow is accurate, every of my shots are taken with AF exclusively. I tried the AF of the Nex and was seriously not impressed coz a proportion of the shots were way off focus, and having used the X1 for a while I keep my hands real steady(not to mention it was a wide pancake lens on the nex). AF is useful especially for P&S upgraders, which the Nex is primarily designed for. I for one CANNOT agree the NEX has better IQ than the M8, there is no comparison. So you have a camera aimed for P&S upgraders, but have no option for AF with good lenses. The X1 is far superior coz it offers AF with a nice lens, and the MF I can use properly. It is pure naivety to think the IQ of the NEx can ever be in the M8 class given the AA filter and smaller sensor, not to mention the accuracy of MF in a rangefinder. And EVF has not enough resolution and is nowhere in the league of a real rangefinder glass. I for one will never buy EVF, looks nasty. I think if we are talking about Leica then it is assumed that their lenses are the best in the world, so why on earth would anyone in the right mind want to buy a M8 and use inferior glass??!! As for the X1, I bought it to put in the pocket or pouch for travel and have fun, so I love it for its 35mm lens. The first M lens i will buy with the M9 will be the 35mm cron or lux (I am waiting for photokina to see if the rumored AF Leica cam will be released coz I think I prefer AF). Bottom line is Sony made an ok camera with lousy lenses, and good lenses cannot AF on it. The shutter is heavy, and initial interest in it has waned. Meanwhile the X1 continues to be criticized by the likes of those who chooses Leica glass on their Sony bodies. I was prepared to buy the Nex for my wife, but having tried it I am perfectly sure that even though my wife is totally ignorant of photography, the images that come out of it she will definitely not like! Meanwhile, she continues to be impressed by the X1 photos she takes and she repeatedly persuaded me to buy an M9 and pass her my X1. I think what many try to do is to find a cheaper option to use Leica lens but at the end of the day, I believe you should buy a lens and body combo from the same manufacturer coz thats what it is optimized for, no compromises. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phancj Posted July 15, 2010 Share #100 Posted July 15, 2010 I've got a hunch that most - if not all - X1 owners knew that before they bought it. I am also very sure that none of the X1 owners will ever buy a Nex for him/herself, at least the current models. Plus I also heard many Nex owners are seriously disappointed with the cameras coz the image quality with the AF lenses are not there yet and is close to P&S, and now they have to live with unpocketable camera. The X1 is just the right compromise of size and quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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