darren vena Posted December 28, 2006 Share #1 Posted December 28, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) I think I may have posted this under digital forum but I don't see it. Has anyone tried the new SilverFast 6.5 version which has a feature called Multi Exposure? I want to try it on my Minolta 5400ii. I read some specs on the website - looked pretty good. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted December 28, 2006 Posted December 28, 2006 Hi darren vena, Take a look here SilverFast 6.5 New Multi Exposure feature. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
cpclee Posted December 29, 2006 Share #2 Posted December 29, 2006 You may want to check out the discussion forum at silverfast.com. My impression is that the feature works but not consistently well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron110n Posted December 29, 2006 Share #3 Posted December 29, 2006 I bought one a week ago and I only scanned three guinea pig negatives that I keep for reference just to observe. First I noticed is the Silver Fast scans faster than my NikonScan and VueScan. The dynamic range is a big help on under-developed B&W processing due to "experimenting". It's a guinea pig! Such a way that it gave texture to clipped highlights making it good enough to present. The dynamic range feature gives better depth in my Simmulux snaps and stunning in my APO Summicron snaps. I still have a lot to work and get to know the scanning software. I just developed an Ilford FP4+ 125 this morning on an ID11. I should find time to scan tonight or tomorrow and tell you about it. It's still hanging to dry. =) There are colleagues here who has been using Silver Fast for a while. Also I haven't scanned anyting in color, since I shoot mostly traditional B&W. Con: Silver Fast only work on a particular machine and model. Mine is only set-up to work for a Nikon CoolScan 9000ED. Therefore it wouldn't work on my CoolScan 5000ED that I use in my vacation or business trips. BTW, my business trips don't have anything to do with photography. I'm only an amature photographer since highschool. Cheers! -Ron Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron110n Posted January 3, 2007 Share #4 Posted January 3, 2007 Leica Classic M6, Summilux 35mm f/1.4 asph, Ilford FP4+ 125, Ilford ID-11 1:1 Darren, here's something quick for your inquiry. I'm only a week with Silver Fast, I'm still exploring it's strengths. Antoni Gaudi's residence gate entrance @ dusk. Barcelona, España True gray scale, this is the reason why I bought the scanning software. Bistro at the Ramblas, Tarragona España Hope this helps -Ron Added: Scanned by a Nikon 9000 ED. I'm sure you are aware that Silver Fast only work for a "particular model" of scanner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren vena Posted January 3, 2007 Author Share #5 Posted January 3, 2007 Thanks for your input Ron. Darren Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpclee Posted January 3, 2007 Share #6 Posted January 3, 2007 Ron: Do you have any before and after examples of multi exposure? SilverFast's website has some (which look remarable) but those may not be representative of typical situations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron110n Posted January 4, 2007 Share #7 Posted January 4, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) but those may not be representative of typical situations. That's a good idea Chris, I just checked their website and read what they claim. But the sample was in an MF transparency (6x6) I never knew that it was a feature, but I also want to know how well is SF in 35mm. I'll make an evaluation tomorrow or better yet Friday and post some comparative snap. Likewise I'll look for a low lit or shadowy negative or transparency to boost the noise factor. -Ron Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron110n Posted January 6, 2007 Share #8 Posted January 6, 2007 Chris, Here's a comparative 100% crop of Silver Fast Multi Scan feature. M7, Summilux 50mm f/1.4 Asph, Kodak Ultra 400 Obon Festival 2006 - Little Tokyo, Los Angeles CA 16x Scan 1x Scan Hope this helps. -Ron Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted January 6, 2007 Share #9 Posted January 6, 2007 Hi Ron, I'm really sorry to have to say this but I can only see minor differences between the two - but I'd agree that the 16x is better. The scanned image has a strong cyan cast to it too - easy enough to correct, especially if you're trying the beta of CS3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron110n Posted January 6, 2007 Share #10 Posted January 6, 2007 That was post processed with cooling filter. =) Except the 100% crop was straight from the scan. I'll send you another one. But I think it's too contrasty to my monitor. I'll use the LUF Bandwith this time. Maybe it's more forgiving than Photo Bucket. It still suck. Seriously, I wouldn't mind paying membership to LUF just to get a good bandwith. -Ron Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/12258-silverfast-65-new-multi-exposure-feature/?do=findComment&comment=135050'>More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted January 6, 2007 Share #11 Posted January 6, 2007 Ron, I can see what you mean about contrast. Incidentally what I was alluding to with the CS3 comment is that you can tell CS3 to open Jpegs in the RAW converter interface, so you have easy access to all the facilities present - including setting white balance. Why Jpegs and not Tiffs as well, I have no idea, other than they're looking for digital camera users to have a common interface for RAW and Jpeg work. So, here's you're shot with the white balance set by clicking on one of the kimonos. I hope you don't mind me uploading this. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/12258-silverfast-65-new-multi-exposure-feature/?do=findComment&comment=135056'>More sharing options...
ron110n Posted January 6, 2007 Share #12 Posted January 6, 2007 Make's a difference. I didn't know that PSCS3 is released now or is that a Demo. I guess I've been shooting B&W for a while now and I'm rusting with colored or I'm getting color blind. -Ron Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted January 6, 2007 Share #13 Posted January 6, 2007 Hi Ron, CS3 has been released by Adobe as a public beta. You need a valid CS2 serial number - which I have - to obtain a CS3 serial number. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron110n Posted January 6, 2007 Share #14 Posted January 6, 2007 Thanks for the info. I'll do that. -Ron Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted January 6, 2007 Share #15 Posted January 6, 2007 If you have upgraded your PS from an earlier version, you will need the Serial Number for the original install, not the upgrade. I have been upgrading my PS since v6. Unfortunately, I'm darned if I can find the original install disks for v6, which is a bit of a problem. Good job I have decent back-ups of my installations... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron110n Posted January 6, 2007 Share #16 Posted January 6, 2007 If you have upgraded your PS from an earlier version, you will need the Serial Number for the original install, not the upgrade. You got me Andy, Now I have to look for the original serial number of PS 7. Mine is also upgrade. Thanks for the info. -Ron Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpclee Posted January 6, 2007 Share #17 Posted January 6, 2007 Ron: It seems like your demo shows multi sampling, not multi exposure. Multi sampling means averaging identical scans multiple times to average out the effect of random noise. This is a technique for noise reduction. Multi exposure means combining scans at different exposure levels (i.e. adjusting the output level of the scanner's lightsource or a longer exposure, I don't know how it's done really) into one final scan. This is a technique for boosting the dynamic range. Multi sampling has been available in SilverFast with many scanners (including the Minolta) for a long time. Multi exposure, however, is new. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron110n Posted January 10, 2007 Share #18 Posted January 10, 2007 Sorry Chris, I don't shoot RAW in my Digital or two jpg snaps, one for the sky and one for the subject on a tripod. I did it once or twice before on landscape, but I used Miranda. I barely shoot landscape. My interest is candid people snaps. If it's a serious snap, I use 35mm colored or B&W. If I'm in the mood for high resolution to capture the sky and subject without clipping the highlights, I use a 6x6. Sorry again for the delayed response. Sometimes it's hard to go home early from work. Cheers, -Ron Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpclee Posted January 10, 2007 Share #19 Posted January 10, 2007 Ron: What I meant to say is in the newest version of SilverFast, the software can take multiple exposures of THE SAME SLIDE to produce different scans, which are then processed into a single scan with higher dynamic range. The software adjusts exposure either by adjusting the light output in the scanner or the scanning time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsteve Posted January 10, 2007 Share #20 Posted January 10, 2007 I just started using Silverfast 6.5 after comparing it to vuescan and the Polaroid software for my Polaroid scanner. The deciding factor was the Silverfast scans were sharper. It also scans quicker too. The multi exposure mode is not supported on my scanner, but after reading an article posted in the digital forum in regards to the Leica S1, I and understand how it could be hit or miss. In the article, they were discussing copying tapestries with the S1 and assembling all the images back together. The just of the article was things move betweeen shots and it makes it difficult to stich everthing back together. The New Yorker : fact : content My guess is for the multi-exposure to work best the film would need to be in a glass carrier or wet mounted. Don't forget Silverfast's is used with a lot of the large drum scanners. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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