burkey Posted July 9, 2006 Share #1 Posted July 9, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Yup, it shoots hot most of the time but I'm very curious if other CLUX users are experiencing problems with exposure as I am. I've been running mine on the "Standard" setting under the Pict. Adj. because it appears to make sharper images on that setting as opposed to the "natural" setting but I'm wondering if the firmware is causing the camera to always shoot hot even with the negative EV being used when not set to "natural. I have a D2 and have never experienced such issues with it that I'm finding with the CLUX. Thoughts? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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brucemcl Posted July 9, 2006 Share #2 Posted July 9, 2006 My experience is with the FX01, Panasonic's version of the C-Lux 1. It comes set in the standard position. Like you I find the natural setting gives images that are too soft. If Panasonic and Leica had separated the sharpness and saturation controls I'd be much happier with the camera, but that's beside the point. My experience with adjusting the EV in standard mode is that it works. I can see it in the viewfinder when I make a change, I can see it when playing back the images on the camera, and I can see it on the computer. I have another Panasonic camera called the FZ5 and the EV control works more or less the same way in both cameras. If you are having problems then it's likely there is something wrong with your particular camera. Perhaps a reset (in the setup menu) would fix the problem. It might be worth trying that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
binaryman Posted July 11, 2006 Share #3 Posted July 11, 2006 Sorry to sound dumb but what is meant by the expression "Shoots Hot"? Thanks Fred Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted July 11, 2006 Share #4 Posted July 11, 2006 He means the camera over exposes so that the higlights are washed out and lacking detail. In general, it's better in digital to slightly under-expose a picture because you can use software tools to change an image and, if you are shooting raw, "take" the picture again using a different exposure (within limits). If the image is over exposed, the detail in the highlights is lost and no amount fiddling will get it back. Different situation with under exposure. The detail is there, but the dynamic range is reduced so that when you adjust the exposure, you lift the noise floor as well which makes the dark areas noisy. That's what the hostograms are all about, a much better way of showing how the exposure is without squinting at an image on the LCD. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
binaryman Posted July 11, 2006 Share #5 Posted July 11, 2006 aha thnx Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
burkey Posted July 11, 2006 Author Share #6 Posted July 11, 2006 I think what I'm finding with the CLUX automatic metering system is that with eveningly lit subject matter that the exposure issue is somewhat correctable with a -EV setting, generally around -1/3. However with a dark background and fill flash, the foreground, generally a person, still retains some overexposure issues regardless of the -EV setting. I use fill flash often for posed shots, so I'm running into this situation fairly regularly. Great small, well made camera but the exposure scenario with it can be an issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucemcl Posted July 11, 2006 Share #7 Posted July 11, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) However with a dark background and fill flash, the foreground, generally a person, still retains some overexposure issues regardless of the -EV setting. I use fill flash often for posed shots, so I'm running into this situation fairly regularly.. Now I understand what you are running into. What little flash photography I have done with the camera has surprised me with the strength of the flash. Too much light from the flash may be causing the problem you are experiencing. I notice that there is no way to directly adjust the strength or weakness of the flash as there is in some other Panasonic cameras. However some of the scene modes seem to make adjustments with the flash and possibly with metering. The manual says that Baby mode weakens the flash, that would be an interesting place to do some testing. Other scene modes may be worth a try as well. Simple mode on the mode dial may also change flash related settings. Perhaps with some experimenting you can find a setting that will work for you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
burkey Posted July 11, 2006 Author Share #8 Posted July 11, 2006 Bruce - good suggestions! Thanks. I seldom look to the presets but your idea is well worth some experimentation. I'll try it tonight when I get home. "Baby" mode - who woulda' thought. I'll post after I have a chance to try a few frames, (oops), I mean exposures. The irony here for me is that I just got back from shooting an outdoor B/W portrait and as I usually do, I found myself "cranking" back the fill flash to make for a more natural feel. (I was using my D2, external Vivitar 285 with Stofen Omni Bounce) Again, thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert_parker Posted July 11, 2006 Share #9 Posted July 11, 2006 David One thing I found was that you seem to get a better landscape photograph, shooting in 'Sports' mode, which seems to limit the over exposure - when the camera increases it's ASA rating on 'auto', it seems to overexpose a bit more, so maybe also clamping down to ASA/ISO 80 might help too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ptomsu Posted July 11, 2006 Share #11 Posted July 11, 2006 mine works well for 100 as well as 200. With 400 one can see some noise, but doeing right exposure helps very much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
burkey Posted July 11, 2006 Author Share #12 Posted July 11, 2006 Robert - very interesting examples, thanks. I'll try the sports mode when I can get a few moments, maybe in the morning, and will also try the suggested baby mode to hopefully lower the output of the flash. Gotta' love the mode names. :-) I'm a firm believer in getting the methodologies set and then concentrating on making pictures. The camera appears to have quite a lot of potential for a point and shoot. . . . David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucemcl Posted July 12, 2006 Share #13 Posted July 12, 2006 Robert: Interesting observation on sports mode. I'll have to try that out in my landscape photography. The test shots at different ISOs are food for thought as well. I tend to stay at ISO 80 outdoors. David: One more setting to try in your "bracketing" tests would be simple mode on the mode dial with backlighting turned on/turned off. It's hard to predict exactly what each mode and menu item does, so be creative! When doing tests like this I find a good EXIF reader can help me map out what the various menu items do. Sometimes information about changed contrast, exposure, etc. is revealed in the EXIF data that is not stated in the menus or the manual. I use the free EXIF viewer on the Mac. http://homepage.mac.com/aozer/EV/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
burkey Posted July 12, 2006 Author Share #14 Posted July 12, 2006 Bruce - thanks for suggestions. Last night I had a few moments to try a couple of different settings. The baby mode inside did drop the exposure maybe 1/2 stop but didn't seem to do much outside in a lot of sun. The sports mode didn't really do much but I've yet to try the slow flash with maybe 1 full negative EV. So, more tests to try. I'm wondering if the EXIF viewer you suggested works in Windows or only MAC? I'll take a look and find out. Update: MAC only. Too bad, it looks useful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucemcl Posted July 13, 2006 Share #15 Posted July 13, 2006 Browsing a couple of the Windows shareware/freeware sites I came up with Exifer: http://www.exifer.friedemann.info/ Free and it looks pretty good. Perhaps it will be helpful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
burkey Posted July 13, 2006 Author Share #16 Posted July 13, 2006 Thanks yet again, Bruce. I'll check it out tonight if possible.. I appreciate your help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcrae Posted July 13, 2006 Share #17 Posted July 13, 2006 Hi My first posting for some time now, but I had to say how much I enjoy using the C-Lux1. I love the camera, and with all the lecia's and Nikon's,etc., I have, I have more fun and 'great' results with that little "lady", than any other camera I have owned throughout the years. Congratulations Leica! George W.McRae Montreal,Canada. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek Posted July 13, 2006 Share #18 Posted July 13, 2006 I have more fun and 'great' results with that little "lady", than any other camera I have owned throughout the years. Congratulations Leica! Well - I can simply only nick and smile! I understand you! I feel the same: fun making pics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert_parker Posted July 13, 2006 Share #19 Posted July 13, 2006 I agree - I think it's loads of fun too, as well as practical in terms of portability:p Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
burkey Posted July 13, 2006 Author Share #20 Posted July 13, 2006 I think because it is so enjoyable to use and does work well if you understand its limitations, then as we work together overcoming its quirks we'll all end up with a very useful pocket size camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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