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Hmmm - just discovered (using Sandisk Extreme III 8 and 4 GB cards) that if a card is formatted in body #I, it can't be read by body #2. Both have the same (latest) firmware - and the cards read fine via a card reader. Odder still, the following sequence is possible:

 

 

  1. Format in Body #1 + take 1 shot + the image shows fine in pre-view.
  2. Transfer the card to Body #2 - this shows a "no viewable image" error message
  3. Shoot one image with the card still in Body #2 - the image is taken, but it shows in preview as image #1 !!
  4. Transfer the image back to Body #1 and the original image is shown as the only image on the card (and as #1)
  5. Even odder - when you read the card back through a card reader both images are present!

 

a) has anyone else noticed this?

B) does anyone know of a fix, as it's clearly useful to be able to check images on a card before formatting it + if you were in the middle of a shoot and needed to transfer a card (for any reason) there seems to be either the risk of losing images or getting involved in a lot of confusion...

 

If someone else could try this to see if it's specific to my cameras or a general bug it would make sense to let Leica know... It's perfectly possible it's a combination of issues that they've tested for.

 

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My two M9s show similar behaviour except that the shot taken in the second camera shows a normal preview not the shot taken in the first camera. Again putting the card back in the first camera shows only the shot taken in that camera.

 

But in the card reader both shots are present but in different folders.

 

Under 'folder management' you can select either folder in the camera and then view the files in there.

 

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Chris... that's just bizarre. Is it because your M9s are using conflicting number or folder schemes?

 

How does the M9 "know" one camera to another, exactly?

 

Jamie - this might be part of the story - looking at the two images I brought into Lightroom, the number sequence is different. (BTW - the "?" on the image icon is because I had actually deleted the originals - so LR is asking where they've gone to...)... The L1005435.DNG is from my older body, the L1001722.DNG from the steel-grey.

 

Hey - maybe gray bodies can't read cards written by black ones and vice-versa ... :p

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My two M9s show similar behaviour except that the shot taken in the second camera shows a normal preview not the shot taken in the first camera. Again putting the card back in the first camera shows only the shot taken in that camera.

 

But in the card reader both shots are present but in different folders.

 

Under 'folder management' you can select either folder in the camera and then view the files in there.

 

Jeff

 

Jeff - thanks for this ... I hadn't bothered to look at the folder structure.

 

Any thoughts on how to fix it anyone? I first experienced it as a problem this weekend. 1300 wedding shoot images spread across a number of cards and only the camera bodies to review them on. I wanted to look through the sequence and was just using the grey body. When I first put a card in and got the "no readable images" error message my heart missed a beat!

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Confusion over - I'd forgotten that in the joy of early ownership I'd set up a new file name structure on Body #1 which didn't match that of Body #2 - they're now identical and all's well!

 

Jeff - thanks for the hint!

 

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_But you can see the images on the different Canon bodies, so you know something is there.

On the Nikon D3s, D3, and D300 when you format and shoot a card on one body and later put it into a different model, you think that there is nothing on the card. Is this the same thing as the M9 question?

I'm thinking of having 2 different brands or something for the different bodies. Never had the problem with Canon's.

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Chris of course any post that starts with.... my two M9's... may run a risk of a less than sympathetic response in some quarters :):):)

That's a quality problem to have!

 

Glad that you worked out your error (very easy to happen). Out of interest I found that my M9 is quite happy to create its own folder and co-exist with folders from other cameras on the same SDHC card. Ahem, I may have forgotten to reformat the card. Also you don't have to go through any of those extra steps that we previously needed when you wrongly reset the numbering and want to restore it. Just edit folder name and file number in your computer and pop it back in.

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Chris of course any post that starts with.... my two M9's... may run a risk of a less than sympathetic response in some quarters :):):)

That's a quality problem to have!

 

Glad that you worked out your error (very easy to happen). Out of interest I found that my M9 is quite happy to create its own folder and co-exist with folders from other cameras on the same SDHC card. Ahem, I may have forgotten to reformat the card. Also you don't have to go through any of those extra steps that we previously needed when you wrongly reset the numbering and want to restore it. Just edit folder name and file number in your computer and pop it back in.

 

Geoff,

 

Does this work with M9 attached to computer via USB cable?

My M9 is in repair right now so I can't check it.

 

Thanks, K-H.

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I don't know about that. Much better to simply take your card with an exposure on it from the camera, put your card in a reader attached to your computer.

I'd agree with this - have to admit that I've almost never attached a digital M directly to the computer - as I don't shoot tethered, it never really seemed worth undoing the rubber flap ... :rolleyes:

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First let me say that taking a card from one M, M8, or M9 I suppose, and placing it a different M and then looking at the images will make that second M change the file/folder structure. At least this is the way it is on the M8. That is one of the steps to reset the file/folder numbering.

 

As to the file/folder structure and numbering of the images you posted they seem to be the same, L100xxxx. Since they start with the same L100 I don't see why one camera wouldn't see a card from another camera. And when I had 2 M8's I ad NO problem switching cards and viewing images on either camera. Of course that would reset the file/folder structure and numbering on the second camera.

When I had 2 M8's I set one to use L100 (Standard) and the other to use L200. That way I'd have to take 2 million images with the first before I ran into a numbering conflict.

I also NEVER used cards from one camera in the other without FIRST formatting it and I really tried never to do that.

 

I'd like to know what you reset the camera to so you can look at images on cards from either camera in one camera.

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I'd like to know what you reset the camera to so you can look at images on cards from either camera in one camera.

 

 

  1. RESET each camera from the Menu (drastic, but it takes you back to factory status. Now both cameras have an identical FOLDER structure.
  2. Format the card that's in each camera.
  3. Take a photo
  4. Put the card in a card reader and re-name the.DNG so that it is the nex-in-sequence on the basis of the last series
  5. Return the card to the camera and take another photo - you've now picked up the file numbering from the earlier state of the camera
  6. You can now read this card in EITHER camera as the folder structure for each camera is identical.

Works for me - and I find it useful.

 

Thanks for contributions to the original post.

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I have about the same problem changing between my M8 and M9. I would like to set my M9-pictures to L900xxx and my M8's to L800xxx. For the M8 that is no problem via the Menu, but in the M9 this feature seems to be disappeared. It does not work either by the changing the picture-number via the card-reader, only the last 4 digits: I can change L1000001 in L9000001 via card-reader but the next photo taken will carry the number L1000002. Does somebody know a trick?

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I think that you guys may be setting yourselves up for complications, It won't happen if you format a card when you put it in your camera (if you've used it previously in another camera). The M9 will make its own folder if you do the wrong thing and insert a card with a previous sequence on it. Mine worked with both M8 cards and some from a Panasonic P&S.

However you can rename the folder AND the file to the sequence you want if desired. Just don't make it hard by expecting that your number sequence will be perfect if you swap back and forth. The M9 definitely does not require the same sequence to return to where you want the way the M8 did though.

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I have about the same problem changing between my M8 and M9. I would like to set my M9-pictures to L900xxx and my M8's to L800xxx. For the M8 that is no problem via the Menu, but in the M9 this feature seems to be disappeared. It does not work either by the changing the picture-number via the card-reader, only the last 4 digits: I can change L1000001 in L9000001 via card-reader but the next photo taken will carry the number L1000002. Does somebody know a trick?

 

Yes

I do this all the time, because I like to have distinctive file names for the camera and the year and month. So, one camera is:

L105xxxx

folder name is:

105LEICA

 

so, at the start of June I will

 

format the card - take a shot.

then, in the computer, change the folder name to

106LEICA

and change the name of the file within it from

L1051234.dng

to

L1061234.dng

then put it back in the camera and take a shot to check.

 

 

I use a,b for November and December

 

Next year it will be:

L111xxxx.dng (etc)

 

I hope this helps

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I have about the same problem changing between my M8 and M9. I would like to set my M9-pictures to L900xxx and my M8's to L800xxx. For the M8 that is no problem via the Menu, but in the M9 this feature seems to be disappeared. It does not work either by the changing the picture-number via the card-reader, only the last 4 digits: I can change L1000001 in L9000001 via card-reader but the next photo taken will carry the number L1000002. Does somebody know a trick?

 

As Jono state you have to change the Folder Number/Name along with the picture number.

Just changing the picture number does nothing to change the total naming the camera uses.

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