tom in mpls Posted April 2, 2010 Share #1 Posted April 2, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Having just read a post in another thread that refers to the Lally Cap for creating accurate custom WB, I am intrigued to hear from others who have tried it. Low tech, not pretty, but perhaps fast, easy and accurate? The concept sounds the same as the Expo Disk, but it isn't made in Leica lens sizes. Lally Cap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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swamiji Posted April 2, 2010 Share #2 Posted April 2, 2010 I have it. It works well. It's not as cold as the expodisk, and it fits most of my lenses. Small compact, just toss into my bag. Takes no space. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
msk2193 Posted April 2, 2010 Share #3 Posted April 2, 2010 I have tried several tools to get accurate WB, and found the little stick-on card from Stephen Johnson Photography to work the quickest. I just take a photo of the lens cap at arm's length when I need spot-on color accuracy and in either Lightroom or Camera Raw calibrate the photos that follow it to that WB setting and voila. I am attaching a photo of the 24mm Summilux lens cap with the card on it. Haven't used anything else since! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/117153-who-has-used-the-lally-cap-for-custom-wb/?do=findComment&comment=1282020'>More sharing options...
swamiji Posted April 2, 2010 Share #4 Posted April 2, 2010 I have tried several tools to get accurate WB, and found the little stick-on card from Stephen Johnson Photography to work the quickest. I have tried the Ba-lens (I hope that right), A lens cap with a WB bubble built in. Works ok, except on really wide lenses. How does this card handle really wide lenses like 12mm or 16mm? Lally Cap has no problems... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
msk2193 Posted April 2, 2010 Share #5 Posted April 2, 2010 I use it on my 14-24 and 16-35 Nikon lenses without any issue; I have not tried it with the 15 Voigtlander on the M9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanyasi Posted April 3, 2010 Share #6 Posted April 3, 2010 I use the Lally cap and it works well. However, I find in Lightroom, I still sometimes make minor adjustments to color temperature. I view those adjustments no differently than any other post-capture digital adjustments (e.g., saturation, contrast, etc.). The Lally cap, like all of the WB tools, does two things well. First, it makes the LCD readout on the camera look more like what you are hoping for--thereby permitting you to reshoot if you don't like what you you expected. Second, by doing the former, you have a better record of where you are trying to get to in post production. If the entire photo has a yellow or blue cast, you have to rely on your memory of what it was supposed to look like. What is nice about the Lally cap is that it is elastic cloth so it fits a wide variety of lenses--you don't need different sizes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrphotog Posted April 4, 2010 Share #7 Posted April 4, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) I found a good writeup at http://www.stockton-cameraclub.com/.../Microsoft_Word_-_Product_Comparison_WHITE_BALENCE_FILTERS.pdf I started using Expodisk a number of years ago on a DSLR and have carried over using it with the M9. It works well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom in mpls Posted April 4, 2010 Author Share #8 Posted April 4, 2010 I found a good writeup at www.stockton-cameraclub.com/.../Microsoft_Word_-_Product_Comparison_WHITE_BALENCE_FILTERS.pdf I started using Expodisk a number of years ago on a DSLR and have carried over using it with the M9. It works well. The link doesn't work for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
msk2193 Posted April 4, 2010 Share #9 Posted April 4, 2010 I have tried the Ba-lens (I hope that right), A lens cap with a WB bubble built in. Works ok, except on really wide lenses. How does this card handle really wide lenses like 12mm or 16mm? Lally Cap has no problems... See this with the Voigtlander 15mm lens on the M9 I tried yesterday morning at sunrise.....: I personally liek the result t wide angle! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/117153-who-has-used-the-lally-cap-for-custom-wb/?do=findComment&comment=1283580'>More sharing options...
swamiji Posted April 4, 2010 Share #10 Posted April 4, 2010 See this with the Voigtlander 15mm lens on the M9 I tried yesterday morning at sunrise.....:I personally liek the result t wide angle! So I guess you are adjusting your WB in post? How would that work if you are trying to set MWB in camera? The card in the picture is not big enough to fill the MWB frame in camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJP Posted April 4, 2010 Share #11 Posted April 4, 2010 Is it really only me that prefers the non white balanced version? From my point of view white balance is a crime to the senses, we live in an unbalanced world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
msk2193 Posted April 4, 2010 Share #12 Posted April 4, 2010 So I guess you are adjusting your WB in post? How would that work if you are trying to set MWB in camera? The card in the picture is not big enough to fill the MWB frame in camera. Yes I am. I find it easier than taking out the Sekonic Color Meter that gives final results that are almost identical. At sunrise, the color temp changes so quickly that it is much easier this way. You would have to adjust color setting or take new WB photos every five minutes or so! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
msk2193 Posted April 4, 2010 Share #13 Posted April 4, 2010 Is it really only me that prefers the non white balanced version? From my point of view white balance is a crime to the senses, we live in an unbalanced world. Stephen, I only adjusted the WB setting for this thread. The "actual" colors of the morning were extremely close to the WB version. Unbalanced world or not, it is more realistic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted April 4, 2010 Share #14 Posted April 4, 2010 Yes I am. I find it easier than taking out the Sekonic Color Meter that gives final results that are almost identical. At sunrise, the color temp changes so quickly that it is much easier this way. You would have to adjust color setting or take new WB photos every five minutes or so! I can imagine. However the Lally Cap/ExpoDisk/BaLens/etc does not go to that extreme, but give pretty good results. I am not a "do it in post" person, I seem to get better results doing as much in camera as possible, including WB. We all have different ways... As long as we are happy with the end product, it really does not matter. An in-shot grey card has been used since the dawn of this technology. So if it works, cool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrphotog Posted April 5, 2010 Share #15 Posted April 5, 2010 I don't know what happened to the link. Please try this one: http://www.stockton-cameraclub.com/f/Microsoft_Word_-_Product_Comparison_WHITE_BALENCE_FILTERS.pdf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Posted April 5, 2010 Share #16 Posted April 5, 2010 I don't know what happened to the link. Please try this one: http://www.stockton-cameraclub.com/f/Microsoft_Word_-_Product_Comparison_WHITE_BALENCE_FILTERS.pdf Great report/ test. Gave me some good ideas. Jet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrice Posted April 5, 2010 Share #17 Posted April 5, 2010 I'm looking for a solution to create good profiles for cornerfix. I bought a 58mm expo-cap for $59 from B&H and it hard vignettes like crazy on anything wide. I'm thinking something like the lally cap (which I'll just make myself of course) is the only realistic solution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrice Posted April 9, 2010 Share #18 Posted April 9, 2010 Just a little update, I took apart the expocap (FYI it's two pieces of white plastic with a paperthin piece of transparent cyan plastic between them inside). I screwed the retaining ring (58mm) from the expocap onto a 58mm UV filter with one of the pieces of white plastic sandwiched between. I took the opportunity to create cornerfix profiles for each aperture with my <50mm lenses, worked a treat. I also used it to create an IR cornerfix profile for my 35mm ZM C-Biogon because it has immense red-edge in IR, but none in VIS. Example: before: after: All processing identical, aside from cornerfix. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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