bill Posted April 1, 2010 Share #101 Posted April 1, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) However, I don't see why technology (in the near future) won't allow for HD vid functionality in the size of a FF M9. ...size is not the issue. I have a dinky little Kodak Zx1 that is about the size of a mobile phone that takes HD video. It cost me buttons, weighs nothing and can sit on my belt when I wander around with a real camera. I use it once in a blue moon and usually end up wondering why I bothered; video is a medium that I really cannot be arsed with. The issue is akin to fitting a fold-out corkscrew to the handle of a Sabatier carving knife. It is possible, but it compromises the knife in every respect - it affects the heft, the handling, the balance, the performance. Above all it degrades the instrument rather than enhancing it. I do not want an M with video. Am I alone in this? Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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swamiji Posted April 1, 2010 Share #102 Posted April 1, 2010 However, I don't see why technology (in the near future) won't allow for HD vid functionality in the size of a FF M9. It's not a matter of Technology. If Leica wished the X1 could have it now. It's form and purpose. The logical and practical implementation within the M construct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted April 1, 2010 Share #103 Posted April 1, 2010 I'd be a bit surprised if HD video wasn't already available in that size range. Again, what's the dimension of the HD frame in pixels? 1280 x 720 or 1440 x 1080 which is 921,600 and 1,555,200 pixels, respectively. Don't say that they haven't been able to put a decent sensor for one and a half MP into a box the volume of an M9, please, with room to spare for a decent hard disk. Well, perhaps they have to use an external battery pack. I think you are way behind where this technology is at the moment. I totally agree with the posts that Leica should not add video to the camera. And I think the M should stay as true to its roots as possible. I think Leica should abandon digital technology altogether in order to simplify the M experience. Why should M film users have to subsidize the ridiculous expenditures that Leica made on digital technology when it totally goes against the traditions of what an M should be as established by Leica's history? Surely this diverted their resources from making better M film cameras. I don't believe that God intended the M to be the electronic beast that it has become (requiring computer gizmos and corrective image processing just to make some of the old lenses work on it.) But that is me, call me a Luddite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
35mmSummicron Posted April 1, 2010 Share #104 Posted April 1, 2010 Bill, I understand your stance in wanting a simple and clean digital Leica M, as do I. Again, I keep referring to the example of the Canon 5DMKII because I think they've done a really good job implimenting video. Most of the video features/functions are buried in the software menus, and double over existing buttons that are used for stills photography. Leica could easily do the same. The future digital Leica M with HD vid/live view I envision is simply an M9 that has the added feature of video recording. If this were the case, it would be no more compromised as an M9 is compared to an M3... ...size is not the issue. I have a dinky little Kodak Zx1 that is about the size of a mobile phone that takes HD video. It cost me buttons, weighs nothing and can sit on my belt when I wander around with a real camera. I use it once in a blue moon and usually end up wondering why I bothered; video is a medium that I really cannot be arsed with. The issue is akin to fitting a fold-out corkscrew to the handle of a Sabatier carving knife. It is possible, but it compromises the knife in every respect - it affects the heft, the handling, the balance, the performance. Above all it degrades the instrument rather than enhancing it. I do not want an M with video. Am I alone in this? Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted April 1, 2010 Share #105 Posted April 1, 2010 I do not want an M with video. Am I alone in this? You certainly are NOT alone! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted April 1, 2010 Share #106 Posted April 1, 2010 The future digital Leica M with HD vid/live view I envision is simply an M9 that has the added feature of video recording. But Leica has chosen not to, even in the most simple form. Only in the Panasonic's do you see Video. X1 could, but does not... Why? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
35mmSummicron Posted April 1, 2010 Share #107 Posted April 1, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Maybe they are still working to get it right... But Leica has chosen not to, even in the most simple form. Only in the Panasonic's do you see Video. X1 could, but does not... Why? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted April 1, 2010 Share #108 Posted April 1, 2010 ...I don't see why technology (in the near future) won't allow for HD vid functionality in the size of a FF M9. I'd be a bit surprised if HD video wasn't already available in that size range. ... I think you are way behind where this technology is at the moment. .... Yes, quite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted April 1, 2010 Share #109 Posted April 1, 2010 Maybe they are still working to get it right... Really... Sure. The X1 is CMOS. All the components are there. It should be a no brainer... If they had ANY desire to. Obviously they don't. In my view... good for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted April 1, 2010 Share #110 Posted April 1, 2010 I think you are way behind where this technology is at the moment. Again, you say that like it's a bad thing... Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
35mmSummicron Posted April 1, 2010 Share #111 Posted April 1, 2010 Right. Just because Leica hasn't, doesn't mean they don't have any interest to. Just because you don't want it, doesn't mean others don't either. Neither of us work for Leica, so obviously we don't know what they are/are not working on. We obviously have our own opinions on what can/cannot fit in the philosophy of a Leica M camera, so I'm signing out on that note. .a Really... Sure. The X1 is CMOS. All the components are there. It should be a no brainer... If they had ANY desire to. Obviously they don't. In my view... good for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted April 1, 2010 Share #112 Posted April 1, 2010 What I find -all of a sudden - striking is that the arguments in this thread operate from the pov of the still camera. When I became a family man, I sold my F2, bought (1) a does-it-all-by-itself F801s and (2) but last's year high end video camera. Using that video camera was frightfully easy. I filled about a dozen thirty minute cassettes with it (yielding recording costs of roughly CHF 280 per hour after depreciation). After I did no longer use it for filming my reluctant family, my then pre-teen son used it for experimenting with special effects. (That was part of our media appreciation education for the young one.) Hence, I might not be an expert on video. However, I did learn that the ergonomics of both the case and the controls obey very very different rules from those for serious still cameras. When not even casual filming is very practical with an "enhanced" still camera, how useful is it for "serious" filming ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted April 1, 2010 Share #113 Posted April 1, 2010 I did learn that the ergonomics of both the case and the controls obey very very different rules from those for serious still cameras. Those are my primary concerns when looking at the M. I have had the same experience on Several Canon's (GL & XL mostly) and IMO are incompatible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted April 1, 2010 Share #114 Posted April 1, 2010 ...When not even casual filming is very practical with an "enhanced" still camera, how useful is it for "serious" filming ? Why not ask this guy? "The rig Robert is using was set up to allow him to see an HDSDI image on a 7″ Panasonic onboard monitor while his AC (the insanely talented Sebastian Vega) pulls focus with a Preston FIZ from a 17″ Panasonic monitor. Very necessary as you know when shooting on a 200mm at a 2.8. The signal was split from HDMI to 2 HDSDIs using the Aja Black Magic powered by a Nebtek adapter and Sony M batteries. Both the Preston and the onboard were powered with a D tap cable and a Sony onboard battery. We also got some beautiful shots with my 50mm 1.4 and a lensbaby composer with single glass and plastic optics. ~ Jimmy Lindsey" Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/116739-video-mode-on-future-m/?do=findComment&comment=1280911'>More sharing options...
pop Posted April 1, 2010 Share #115 Posted April 1, 2010 Why not ask this guy? Yes. You ask. We laugh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted April 1, 2010 Share #116 Posted April 1, 2010 Why not ask this guy? Probably because he's busy in hospital having his hernia treated. I'd say he has inadequacy issues. That is so not what floats my boat. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted April 1, 2010 Share #117 Posted April 1, 2010 Probably because he's busy in hospital having his hernia treated. I'd say he has inadequacy issues. That is so not what floats my boat. Regards, Bill I think he is busy earning a living as a profession cameraman. Why not check out the article and learn about what they think about it: Robert Rodriguez + Canon 7D + Zacuto! | Zacuto Pop, Do you read your own posts? You asked, "...When not even casual filming is very practical with an "enhanced" still camera, how useful is it for "serious" filming ?" After god knows how many times people said that a DSLR was not a good camera for video and then a post that questions if it is up to the task for serious video work.... I posted that picture to show you how wrong you are. There are minor industries turning dSLRs into serious production tools. I wonder if anyone here is equally certain that nobody ever carried an M and thought, "too bad I didn't have a video camera with me just then." When you consider that without any of these added accessories, a DSLR will on its own deliver amazing quality video, it is pretty obvious why a lot of people are excited about using one for video. As you can see from this image: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/116739-video-mode-on-future-m/?do=findComment&comment=1280949'>More sharing options...
pop Posted April 1, 2010 Share #118 Posted April 1, 2010 I wonder if anyone here is equally certain that nobody ever carried an M and thought, "too bad I didn't have a video camera with me just then." I am quite certain that someone somewhere has had that very thought. I also know that I thought at one time while carrying my M4 with the 90mm Elmarit and the Lunasix 3 - refurbished to use newer 1.5V batteries - that it would be just great to have some pop corn. Does this mean that I wished my M4, the Elmarit or the Lunasix was capable of producing pop corn? As they say, "not really". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted April 1, 2010 Share #119 Posted April 1, 2010 After god knows how many times people said that a DSLR was not a good camera for video and then a post that questions if it is up to the task for serious video work.... I posted that picture to show you how wrong you are. There are minor industries turning dSLRs into serious production tools. ...that picture tells me nothing except that some people are gadget freaks, and others will believe anything as long as it is shiny and new. It doesn't alter the fact one jot or iota. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted April 1, 2010 Share #120 Posted April 1, 2010 I posted that picture to show you how wrong you are. There are minor industries turning dSLRs into serious production tools. Do you notice any difference between and Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Picture is © Leica Any more questions? Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Picture is © Leica Any more questions? ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/116739-video-mode-on-future-m/?do=findComment&comment=1280960'>More sharing options...
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