pop Posted March 21, 2010 Share #21 Posted March 21, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Alexander, You inspired me to get out and give it a try. Here is a view from my garden today. Ece Please forgive me if I'm butting in. I find yours to be rather difficult to "see". It could be the fact that I had half a bottle of wine just now. It also could be the many vertical things (flowers, in that case) which confuse the eyes when trying to converge. I think the most likely cause lies with the base width, i.e. the horizontal distance between the two shots. In normal circumstances the camera ought to be moved about 6.3 cm between two shots. Your garden shot feels like there had been a larger distance. Lovely subject, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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atufte Posted March 21, 2010 Author Share #22 Posted March 21, 2010 Alexander, You inspired me to get out and give it a try. Here is a view from my garden today. (M8, Nokton 50/1.1). I hope you don't mind my posting these here but I thought they belong here as part of this thread. Thanks for this experiment. Ece Hehe, this is good, you even have the same IKEA chairs, he he... lovely and a VERY 3D picture, i did not have any problems viewing it, like some other have posted... Please post more stereo pictures, i love it ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
allamande Posted March 21, 2010 Share #23 Posted March 21, 2010 Ece Please forgive me if I'm butting in. I find yours to be rather difficult to "see". It could be the fact that I had half a bottle of wine just now. It also could be the many vertical things (flowers, in that case) which confuse the eyes when trying to converge. I think the most likely cause lies with the base width, i.e. the horizontal distance between the two shots. In normal circumstances the camera ought to be moved about 6.3 cm between two shots. Your garden shot feels like there had been a larger distance. Philipp, Thank you for your feedback. I appreciate it very much. I am able to see it though it takes me longer to focus than with Alexander's image pairs. It is possible that I moved more than 6.3 cm (you don't sound like you've had much wine in you, yet ), honestly I went with instinct, maybe it was close to 10cm. I also thought about the image size itself as the possible culprit since mine are larger. I am fascinated by the whole idea and this is very helpful. Thank you again for your comments. I will try to do better in the next trial. Ece Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
allamande Posted March 21, 2010 Share #24 Posted March 21, 2010 Alexander, Thank you so much! I know, when I saw your chairs, I knew where I had to do my trial . I am glad to hear your feedback, as I said to Philipp, it takes me a bit longer to focus on this than with your shots so I am hypothesizing that it could be the image size as well as how much I moved between the two shots. I will definitely try more (you too!). Thanks again, for opening my mind up to a new dimension! Ece Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atufte Posted March 21, 2010 Author Share #25 Posted March 21, 2010 Ece Please forgive me if I'm butting in. I find yours to be rather difficult to "see". It could be the fact that I had half a bottle of wine just now. It also could be the many vertical things (flowers, in that case) which confuse the eyes when trying to converge. I think the most likely cause lies with the base width, i.e. the horizontal distance between the two shots. In normal circumstances the camera ought to be moved about 6.3 cm between two shots. Your garden shot feels like there had been a larger distance. Lovely subject, though. I find that, if i use between 5 or 10 cm between shots, and angle the last shot using a reference point for the focus patch give me the best results, and is very easy to do handheld, even with faces/people in the, just ask the subject to stand still for a second, and the result will be perfect, because as someone mentioned, the brain makes up for any (within reason) faults in the angle... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted March 21, 2010 Share #26 Posted March 21, 2010 I find that, if i use between 5 or 10 cm between shots, and angle the last shot using a reference point for the focus patch give me the best results, and is very easy to do handheld, even with faces/people in the, just ask the subject to stand still for a second, and the result will be perfect, because as someone mentioned, the brain makes up for any (within reason) faults in the angle... I still find it very much surprising that your portrait works as well as it does. Congratulations, again. Your hands must be very steady. After a bit of reflection on my difficulty with Ece's picture, I find that: (1) the scene depicted in in yours (Alexander) pictures have not so much depth. (2) I wear multifocal glasses which might be a further impediment under some circumstances. Please, please, pretty please, both of you, do go on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
epand56 Posted March 21, 2010 Share #27 Posted March 21, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Outstanding and very amusing thread. I had no problems in viewing all the pictures and had a great fun. Just a question, Alexander, how did you take the pictures? hand held or on tripod? and how much did you move the camera for the second picture? Thank you for this fab suggestion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atufte Posted March 21, 2010 Author Share #28 Posted March 21, 2010 Outstanding and very amusing thread. I had no problems in viewing all the pictures and had a great fun.Just a question, Alexander, how did you take the pictures? hand held or on tripod? and how much did you move the camera for the second picture? Thank you for this fab suggestion. Thanks All handheld... I find that, if i use between 5 or 10 cm between shots, and angle the last shot using a reference point for the focus patch give me the best results, and is very easy to do handheld, even with faces/people in the, just ask the subject to stand still for a second, and the result will be perfect, because as someone mentioned, the brain makes up for any (within reason) faults in the angle... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicadig3 Posted March 22, 2010 Share #29 Posted March 22, 2010 Alexandre, I couldn´t contain myself and I've tried. I send two examples. I think it works especially well in the example of the glasses. What do you think? (I refer to as examples of the technique itself, I am not referring to the quality of the photos) Regards. Enrique. . Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/115963-leica-m8-stereo-portrait/?do=findComment&comment=1269134'>More sharing options...
daveleo Posted March 22, 2010 Share #30 Posted March 22, 2010 too weird . . . i have wicked eye strain but it was worth it. had to use the cross-eyed technique on the images with no white strip between them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted March 22, 2010 Share #31 Posted March 22, 2010 too weird.. There's your next challenge: a stereo pair with flashing lights (ducks and runs for shelter) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
allamande Posted March 22, 2010 Share #32 Posted March 22, 2010 For some reason, the figurines were easier for me to focus, but they both work fine in the end. I am beginning to feel the strain though. My eyes will never be the same... Ece Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveleo Posted March 22, 2010 Share #33 Posted March 22, 2010 There's your next challenge: a stereo pair with flashing lights (ducks and runs for shelter) Philipp . . . not a bad idea . . . when i get back next week, i'll work on that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveleo Posted March 28, 2010 Share #34 Posted March 28, 2010 There is a thread containing M8 stereo pictures. That was so much fun that I decided to have a go at it myself. The following are taken with a LC1, the Panasonic equivalent of a Digilux 2. They show the camera my gradfather used about a century ago. How to look at stereo pictures: Since those are pretty wide, I have arranged them for cross-eyed viewing. Place a finger close to the screen just in front of the divider between the pictures. Slowly move the finger towards the bridge of your nose while looking at the finger with both eyes. When both pictures appear to coincide, stop moving your finger. Now comes the part which takes a bit of practice. Change the focus of your eyes such that they see the screen sharp (while still converging at the same angle). Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! CC welcome; I'd be delighted if someone used this thread to show some more exciting stereo pictures. Philipp nice subject (the camera) and good idea for the thread. . . . i promise to experiment and post something. my eyes are killing me . . . there must be glasses to wear that help with this. Eddie - thank you. Dave - using reading glasses certainly might help. I think multifocals might impede more than they help in this case, especially if they're of the sliding focus kind. You might also want to experiment a bit with the image size, especially if the distance between the images is too large for comfortable viewing. Export the picture to your desktop and open it with your image view. The Eye of Gnome offers zooming with the mouse wheel, as if you didn't know that. In the next installment I hope that I'll be able to add a few more suggestions concerning make-shift viewers for on-screen viewing. I'm most certainly looking forward to your experiments. Philipp, i have been trying a few things . . . they "kind of" work but not well . . . and i am straining to see my images correctly. it's fun . . . am still trying. finally got something that looks 3D to me . . . my basement domain.. . okay . . . since we are experimenting with 3d, here is a variation of my previous cross-your-eyes post . . . same images, but set as layers in a GIF at 100ms trip time . . . Dave, That's a very impressive view which you grant us. I didn't dare show my work room because my storage system is very above board and stochastic. () If I'm not mistaken, your pic is meant to be looked at with the axes of the eyes in parallel and not with crossed eyes, i.e. the picture at the left hand side is to be seen with the left eye. That technique works for many people who are not comfortable with cross eyed looking. Does this work on your netbook? On my screen, each of the pictures is about 13cm wide. That's about twice the distance between my eyes, and there's no way for me to see them with the naked eye parallel technique. Once I adjust the arrangement of the images to my favorite viewing technique, your room unfolds fully into three dimensions. Am I right in guessing that the horizontal distance between the shots is a bit more than 6 cm? the centers of these are about 9.5cm apart on my screen. i didn't measure the actual distance that i moved the camera but it was probably 7.5cm i am thinking that the camer needs to be moved exactly the same distance as the final images are apart center-to-center on the viewing screen . . . kind of makes intuitive sense. . . ? . . . when you get tired of crossing your eyes, save each image as a layer of a GIF format and set the time at 100ms . . . . . . . . when you get tired of crossing your eyes, save each image as a layer of a GIF format and set the time at 100ms . . . . . That's an ... interesting .... effect. You certainly could use that technique for stereo viewing. Cut a slice of about 90° out of a circular piece of sheet metal. You can use wood if you so desire. Attach it to a small motor and mount the whole thing on the bridge of your nose. Rotate the disk in time with the flashing pair such that each eye can see one picture only of he pair. Hey, presto, stereo. Mind the tip of your nose, though. well Philipp, i tried that and the rotational unbalance of the rotating sheet metal nearly tore my head off so . . . don't rush to the patent office just yet Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! CC welcome; I'd be delighted if someone used this thread to show some more exciting stereo pictures. Philipp nice subject (the camera) and good idea for the thread. . . . i promise to experiment and post something. my eyes are killing me . . . there must be glasses to wear that help with this. Eddie - thank you. Dave - using reading glasses certainly might help. I think multifocals might impede more than they help in this case, especially if they're of the sliding focus kind. You might also want to experiment a bit with the image size, especially if the distance between the images is too large for comfortable viewing. Export the picture to your desktop and open it with your image view. The Eye of Gnome offers zooming with the mouse wheel, as if you didn't know that. In the next installment I hope that I'll be able to add a few more suggestions concerning make-shift viewers for on-screen viewing. I'm most certainly looking forward to your experiments. Philipp, i have been trying a few things . . . they "kind of" work but not well . . . and i am straining to see my images correctly. it's fun . . . am still trying. finally got something that looks 3D to me . . . my basement domain.. . okay . . . since we are experimenting with 3d, here is a variation of my previous cross-your-eyes post . . . same images, but set as layers in a GIF at 100ms trip time . . . Dave, That's a very impressive view which you grant us. I didn't dare show my work room because my storage system is very above board and stochastic. () If I'm not mistaken, your pic is meant to be looked at with the axes of the eyes in parallel and not with crossed eyes, i.e. the picture at the left hand side is to be seen with the left eye. That technique works for many people who are not comfortable with cross eyed looking. Does this work on your netbook? On my screen, each of the pictures is about 13cm wide. That's about twice the distance between my eyes, and there's no way for me to see them with the naked eye parallel technique. Once I adjust the arrangement of the images to my favorite viewing technique, your room unfolds fully into three dimensions. Am I right in guessing that the horizontal distance between the shots is a bit more than 6 cm? the centers of these are about 9.5cm apart on my screen. i didn't measure the actual distance that i moved the camera but it was probably 7.5cm i am thinking that the camer needs to be moved exactly the same distance as the final images are apart center-to-center on the viewing screen . . . kind of makes intuitive sense. . . ? . . . when you get tired of crossing your eyes, save each image as a layer of a GIF format and set the time at 100ms . . . . . That's an ... interesting .... effect. You certainly could use that technique for stereo viewing. Cut a slice of about 90° out of a circular piece of sheet metal. You can use wood if you so desire. Attach it to a small motor and mount the whole thing on the bridge of your nose. Rotate the disk in time with the flashing pair such that each eye can see one picture only of he pair. Hey, presto, stereo. Mind the tip of your nose, though. well Philipp, i tried that and the rotational unbalance of the rotating sheet metal nearly tore my head off so . . . don't rush to the patent office just yet ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/115963-leica-m8-stereo-portrait/?do=findComment&comment=1275843'>More sharing options...
ezc203 Posted March 30, 2010 Share #35 Posted March 30, 2010 Very cool! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atufte Posted April 1, 2010 Author Share #36 Posted April 1, 2010 A few more... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/115963-leica-m8-stereo-portrait/?do=findComment&comment=1280936'>More sharing options...
atufte Posted April 1, 2010 Author Share #37 Posted April 1, 2010 Easter cooking... ;-) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/115963-leica-m8-stereo-portrait/?do=findComment&comment=1280939'>More sharing options...
atufte Posted April 1, 2010 Author Share #38 Posted April 1, 2010 And a last B&W one... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/115963-leica-m8-stereo-portrait/?do=findComment&comment=1280940'>More sharing options...
allamande Posted April 2, 2010 Share #39 Posted April 2, 2010 Alexander, The steam rising out of that frying pan is the best one yet!!! Ece Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted April 3, 2010 Share #40 Posted April 3, 2010 I agree; the kitchen picture is very nice. It also is quite easy to look at. The rope is fascinating. however, seeing the complete depth of the ridge of the rock is not for the beginner, I think. The one with the pole is lovely for its tonality and depth. What's the pole for? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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