plasticman Posted April 26, 2010 Share #21 Posted April 26, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Absolutely, sell it get loaded for a wonderful brand new M9! I assume you've got the Leica MP for the delightful film look, true! That's why you need/will get Nik's silver efex pro for ever better BW prints than the soon-ended era of small format film. Good luck. Ah the usual good manners of a fellow Stockholmer. Why not come to the Film section and offend people by enthusing over the end of film? It's just like walking down Sveavägen and getting bumped into by everyone coming the other way, without apology or pause. Why should I expect a Stockholmer to behave any other way online? The truth is, much as I love digital, Silver Efex Pro (and any other PhotoShop 'film' look) doesn't even come close to how real film looks. Don't get me wrong - digital is sharper, and the colors are more accurate, and if you expose correctly you won't be too bothered by digital's abrupt highlight transitions. But if you want a real film look, the only way to go is real film. Oh - and in spite of the way that digital enthusiasts are always hoping for film to die - somehow it just keeps on going. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted April 26, 2010 Posted April 26, 2010 Hi plasticman, Take a look here Anyone sold an MP to fund an M9?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Xmas Posted April 26, 2010 Share #22 Posted April 26, 2010 ... I assume you've got the Leica MP for the delightful film look, true!. Not a true statement necessarily. You seem to be stuck in the wrong sub forum, hope you are happy here? Hate it when Se people English is so good, and my Se is five words. The M9 still has some limitations, which we don't need to address here. Beyond on last outing, when it rained we stopped & went to pub and got sozzled instead, more normally I ignore rain, beyond wiping it of the lens filter. Tough if you were a pro. Never rains in Se though? Lots of people got MP cause they are so nice to handle, even if they don't match M5, M4, M3 or M2s, putting film in them is nice but optional. Leica must be making a high % profit, compared with M8 or M9 %, The MP is a 'M6 classic' on a M7 chassis with a la carte options that people are buying, at a premium SeK. Leica are not doing well with margins, e.g. Cosina are making competitive lenses with Voigtlander and Zeiss badges. If Leica folds the M9 is soon going to transform itself into paper weight. If you like your M9 I'd suggest not putting off MP users. Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 26, 2010 Share #23 Posted April 26, 2010 Not a true statement necessarily. You seem to be stuck in the wrong sub forum, hope you are happy here? Hate it when Se people English is so good, and my Se is five words. The M9 still has some limitations, which we don't need to address here. Beyond on last outing, when it rained we stopped & went to pub and got sozzled instead, more normally I ignore rain, beyond wiping it of the lens filter. Tough if you were a pro. Never rains in Se though? Lots of people got MP cause they are so nice to handle, even if they don't match M5, M4, M3 or M2s, putting film in them is nice but optional. Leica must be making a high % profit, compared with M8 or M9 %, The MP is a 'M6 classic' on a M7 chassis with a la carte options that people are buying, at a premium SeK. Leica are not doing well with margins, e.g. Cosina are making competitive lenses with Voigtlander and Zeiss badges. If Leica folds the M9 is soon going to transform itself into paper weight. If you like your M9 I'd suggest not putting off MP users. Noel Today's Monday Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AgXlove Posted May 1, 2010 Share #24 Posted May 1, 2010 I am buying an M9, which as everyone knows is expensive. My MP has served me well since early 2004 and is in fine condition, just very slight brassing. Yes, I have the funds for the M9 but I am wondering if anyone has bought the M9 and offset the cost a bit with an MP sale? And what the thinking was when the MP was sold. Would I be better served just storing the MP (I know I won't use it much if at all going forward). Is it not like untouched money in the bank, to be tapped if really necessary in future? Given your situation, I can see no logic in selling your MP. If you keep it and end up selling it in the future, you will get more out of it as Leica equipment never seems to go down in value. In 2003, I paid $2500US for my MP; that same camera now sells for $4600US. I could obviously sell it for more now than I could have in 2004, '05, '06, etc. I have a 90/2 ASPH which I hardly ever use but I'm keeping it. Why? I had a Voigtlander 35/1.2 ASPH Nokton which I sold because I hardly ever used it (I convinced myself it was "redundant" since I also own a 28/2 ASPH 'cron). Naturally, I was kicking myself six months down the road - lesson learned, thankfully only at the cost of a CV lens rather than an M lens. Now my rule is, "If it says "Leica on it or if it fits on an M camera, it never gets sold." This works for me - YMMV. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwelland Posted May 2, 2010 Share #25 Posted May 2, 2010 If you can afford it, keep the MP. That way you'll avoid any seller's remorse plus you'll have a film complement to the M9 plus a backup in case the M9 needs to go on extended holiday at Leica for any reason. I shoot with the M9 and I confess that I've been looking for the right priced MP to join it. I figure that if I'm going to have a film M again then it may as well be an MP for it's mechanical perfection. If I didn't care about that aspect I'd pick up a M6 or M7 again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lieberdavid Posted May 3, 2010 Share #26 Posted May 3, 2010 According to Erwin Puts's recent tests, film still outperforms currently available digital cameras, the Leica M9 in particular, included. This is especially true in regard to resolution. So if you are interested in obtaining large prints you will get better results with your MP than an M9. I have an MP already, and it is my first choice for my every day camera. I should like to add an M7 with motor but I confess to hesitating because of concern about the future of film. Also, where I live (Chiang Mai) the price for processing slide film has just doubled in the one place in the city I know of that will process it at all. Cheers! David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
redbaron Posted May 3, 2010 Share #27 Posted May 3, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Absolutely, sell it get loaded for a wonderful brand new M9! I assume you've got the Leica MP for the delightful film look, true! That's why you need/will get Nik's silver efex pro for ever better BW prints than the soon-ended era of small format film. Good luck. That must be one smart program! To be able to pull 14 stops of dynamic range out of a digital file! You tosser! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentleman Villain Posted May 3, 2010 Share #28 Posted May 3, 2010 Digital and film really are two different mediums. We're very close to the point where the honeymoon with digital ends. The rush to go digital is settling down and losing it's novelty factor. Digital is becoming just another medium. This means that film and digital really have the ability to now become co-equals. A person should be able to shoot film or digital and do equally well no matter if he's an amateur or professional. That might not have been the case a few years ago when digital was still a novelty and gave the impression that film was obsolete. Film and digital are probably going to be viewed as co-equals in the near future....So the debate between film and digital really is a matter of inspiration more than anything else. The choice between the two should come down to what inspires the user... Film or digital? ....each medium has it's advantages and disadvantages but at the end of the day they are both becoming equal ...the real deciding factor is inspiration. Which is the most inspiring? The answer to that question is going to be up to each individual user. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chroma project Posted May 3, 2010 Share #29 Posted May 3, 2010 Ah the usual good manners of a fellow Stockholmer. Why not come to the Film section and offend people by enthusing over the end of film? It's just like walking down Sveavägen and getting bumped into by everyone coming the other way, without apology or pause. Why should I expect a Stockholmer to behave any other way online? The truth is, much as I love digital, Silver Efex Pro (and any other PhotoShop 'film' look) doesn't even come close to how real film looks. Don't get me wrong - digital is sharper, and the colors are more accurate, and if you expose correctly you won't be too bothered by digital's abrupt highlight transitions. But if you want a real film look, the only way to go is real film. Oh - and in spite of the way that digital enthusiasts are always hoping for film to die - somehow it just keeps on going. hey fellow countryman, a plasticman. You have misunderstood me a little, I use film and love film. Truth to tell i love the film photography so much that I have invested much money in different film systems. you do not need to be gifted to be able to interpret the market and sad enough the film-photography uncertain fate. The author asked, i gave my opinion. do not take things personally. That must be one smart program! To be able to pull 14 stops of dynamic range out of a digital file! You tosser! excuse me who are you, are you really that stupid? ehh i don't have time for this... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted May 4, 2010 Share #30 Posted May 4, 2010 You have misunderstood me a little, I use film and love film. Truth to tell i love the film photography so much that I have invested much money in different film systems.you do not need to be gifted to be able to interpret the market and sad enough the film-photography uncertain fate. The author asked, i gave my opinion. do not take things personally. No hard feelings - I think it was a problem of linguistic tone, is all. In any case, I'd say you were wrong about what's happening to film - if anything, it may even be enjoying a mini-renaissance. When even Steve Huff is championing film, then I'd say it's got some life in it still. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted May 4, 2010 Share #31 Posted May 4, 2010 Today's Monday Yea and I did not shoot any one all day... Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattwardle Posted May 7, 2010 Share #32 Posted May 7, 2010 I nearly sold my M6 classic to fund a mint, near new M8. Instead I sold all my nikon gear (film and digital) and a mixed bag of collected gear that was no longer needed. How glad am i that I didn't sell my trusty M6? VERY! On a recent trip to Istanbul I took my M8 only, and managed to smash the LCD screen. The camera was in the bag, and i had it over my shoulder, so i have no idea how it happened. Leica film M's are built like little tanks, the M8 ( and i suspect M9) are not anywhere near as durable. After my M8 returns from Leica with its new screen, its going up for sale and I'm purchasing another m6 classic and a 50mm summicron to go with my current M6 and 35mm cron. Dont sell the MP, film is lovely, tangible and real. Digital has its merits but you will need the MP as a backup. Ive shot digital since 2003, and now returning to film. Film is also increasing in popularity, many pro's are returning to film (see the wonderful work of Jonathan Canlas), workflow has actually slowed down with digital, some wedding shooters are spending 40 hours editing digital files - film shooters get their work back from the lab scanned, profiled and ready for layup. Again, keep the MP, or sell it to me... or swap it for my m8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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