Where can I find a 50mm Summilux pre-asph version II

[Haskell]

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Hello all,

 

I am newish here...bare with me if I have posted this in the wrong place, mods feel free to move me.

 

I am a brooklyn based filmmaker who makes a living off my RED and was once a Leica shooter years ago. Recently I have had this wild desire to return to my film roots and get a Leica, about to seal a deal on an MP...very excited.

 

I am dealing now with glass and I am having a hard time find a 50 lux pre asph version 2, preferably silver but thats not the deal breaker as much as the price is.

 

I guess I was hoping someone could shed some light on how much this lens would cost on average and if anyone out there has one and wants to sell it to me then by all means, contact me. Thanks in advance for any help and glad to have found this community. cheers.

[Xmas]

There is only an asph in classifieds

 

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/market/categories/m-lenses-objektive.html

 

There is a button on right hand side to get there more normally.

 

Noel

[Haskell]

Thanks Noel, will keep my eye on classifieds.

[Xmas]

I apologize I thought 'we' were looking for the later V2 with focus to 0.7 meter, the V2 in the linked ad is the 43mm filter focusing to 1m?

 

Noel

[Haskell]

Just to be clear, the V2 has a close focus of .7 meters?

 

Version 2 is what I am looking for indeed. I know the serial numbers help but no always the case. I found a seller who said he learned this about V1 and V2.

 

"The ring of chrome on the barrel between the scalloped focusing ring and the aperture adjust ring is thicker (about 1/4'' thick) on the 1st version and thinner (about 1/8'' thick) on the 2nd version"

[j. borger]

Just to be clear, the V2 has a close focus of .7 meters?

 

Version 2 is what I am looking for indeed. I know the serial numbers help but no always the case. I found a seller who said he learned this about V1 and V2.

 

"The ring of chrome on the barrel between the scalloped focusing ring and the aperture adjust ring is thicker (about 1/4'' thick) on the 1st version and thinner (about 1/8'' thick) on the 2nd version"

 

V2 Does NOT close- focus to .7m but 1m and has 43mm filtersize.

Gorgeous lens!

The only 50mm Summiluxes focussing to .7m are the current asph and last pre-asph version with integrated lens-hood and 46mm filtersize.

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I think we may be agreeing with one another the 5cm pre as lux comes in four varieties...

 

v1 optics v1 outer shell

v2 optics v1 outer shell (- you need to use serial number and trust Leitz eeek)

v2 optics later shell 43mm filter inverted detach cone hood 1m close focus

v2 optics even later shell 46mm filter integrated telescope hood 0.7.close focus

 

note the hard coating process changed some where along the line

{?end not for OP eyes]

 

you wanna agree? I thought the OP only wanted the last, more difficult to get as lots of users -shooters- want the 0.7 focus

Noel

[peter_n]

There is confusion about this. Most "official" sources including the Hove Leica Pocketbook have two versions, but many people (myself included) use three. The first two being the lenses shown in the ad I linked to above and the third being the last E46 version. In addition to the 0.7M closest focus the v.3 also has a much shorter focus throw than the earlier versions.

[Mab]

Yes, there are three clearly different versions just as peter_n described. Don't expect to see them on the market often or with a low price tag.

[innerimager]

Yes, there are three clearly different versions just as peter_n described. Don't expect to see them on the market often or with a low price tag.

 

Yes, and the price seems to be rising quickly. I bought the last version, black paint last year for $1700, and sold it for the same (never sell a lens!). I just reacquired it in a trade that valued it for $2100 just a few months later.

[Haskell]

Thanks folks for all the information...this really helps me pin down what I need.

[Haskell]

Yes, and the price seems to be rising quickly. I bought the last version, black paint last year for $1700, and sold it for the same (never sell a lens!). I just reacquired it in a trade that valued it for $2100 just a few months later.

 

What last version, the asph one? I only see those for 3500 and up. Yes insane how fast this glass is rising in price.

[Philippe D.]

Hi C.H.

The Summilux 50 2nd version you're looking for is the one with telescopic hood.

Have a look here: Objectif LEICA Summilux 50 mm f/1,4 (1962-2004) (the one on the right side).

 

This lens is sold usually, when in very good shape, about 1400US$, in black.

Chrome ones are quite rare, therefore more expensive.

 

Here http://www.summilux.net/forums/viewtopic-an.php?t=32190 a black one, with 3 filters.

(no connections with the seller)

[Haskell]

Thanks Philippe

 

Here are 2 that I am considering purchase, both 50 lux pre asph

 

The the 1st image I am told is the 2nd version, serial 2048xxx etc although I noticed that its different from the 50 in the 2nd picture which almost resembles more of the shell on a asph. Perhaps this is the last version before asph was released?

 

Can someone identify these as version 2s before I consider my final purchase? THanks again.

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[Philippe D.]

Here are 2 that I am considering purchase, both 50 lux pre asph.

The first (big picture), is version one of the 50 Summilux. It is a like the Zeiss Sonnar, a bit soft.

The second one is the pre-Asph version II You're looking for. In chrome ! But could be an Asph too, it's looks the same.

I'm curious about it's price.

 

Edit: It's seems that the Pre-Asph (right hand) is a screw mount version, must be very expensive !

[peter_n]

Here's my take on this, I agree with Philippe that the second pic looks like the last pre-ASPH, what he calls version II and I call v.3. Easy to confirm that, just ask if it takes an E46 filter. As far as I can tell this is the lens you actually want. This lens is also my personal preference as it focuses down to 0.7M, has a short focus throw and reasonably modern coating. It also takes a standard 46mm filter in comparison to the v.1 and v2 which take a 43mm filter with a (now) non-standard 0.5mm thread pitch. It can be fiddly finding filters to fit the lens.

 

I think the first one is a v.2, not a v.1. It looks like a v.1 but the serial nr. 2048616 puts in squarely in the v.2 manufacturing range, as per the Leica Hove Pocketbook p.138. There the v.2 lens is listed in silver chrome with a Leica part nr. of 11856 (probably not engraved on the body unfortunately). On p. 137 of the Pocketbook the v.1 production was shown as ending at serial nr. 1844000. This is weird though as the lens in your picture absolutely looks like a v.1 and not a v.2. I would ask the seller if they can give you the Leica product number for the lens, if the product nr. comes back as 11856 it is definitely a v.2.

[Philippe D.]

Hi.

if the product nr. comes back as 11856 it is definitely a v.2.

The second one, Pre-Asph silver chrome, have 11621 as ref. #. It's one of the 500 pieces made with M39 screw mount.

[Xmas]

{not for OP eyes]

I think we may be agreeing with one another the 5cm pre as lux comes in four varieties...

 

v1 optics v1 outer shell

v2 optics v1 outer shell (- you need to use serial number and trust Leitz eeek)

v2 optics later shell 43mm filter inverted detach cone hood 1m close focus

v2 optics even later shell 46mm filter integrated telescope hood 0.7.close focus

 

note the hard coating process changed some where along the line

{?end not for OP eyes]

 

you wanna agree? I thought the OP only wanted the last, more difficult to get as lots of users -shooters- want the 0.7 focus

Noel

Ok I lied I'd forgotten there were/might be some made in LTM, I doing it from memory.

 

But the larger photo could be a V2 optics in V1 outer shell, you need the serial number change as mentioned above to be sure, and I'd want to inspect the reflected surfaces to be sure....

 

The smaller photo (with telescopic hood) looks like an V2 optic LTM special, which I think they did for the Ja market in a small batch, but memory is fallible and this is a small photo...

 

If I were the OP I'd fold the dollars over and sit on my wallet until I could visit a brick camera shop. Alas the lux was never a high volume lens and although it was made for decades it is difficult to find, if you want a particular version in a particular finish you may have to wait a while.

 

I confess I have a V2 optic in 43mm filter shell (early and single coated), and it is an ok lens in every way.

 

I also have a CV f/1.5 5cm, which was seriously cheap, and I can tell them apart just...

 

The lux holds up better against Fresnels and profiles in frame, and is compact in gbag, the CV does not vignette as much, and is larger.

 

Noel

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And you can get them in black paint as well apparently

 

Leica - Aperture uk

 

Noel

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[peter_n]

Hi.The second one, Pre-Asph silver chrome, have 11621 as ref. #. It's one of the 500 pieces made with M39 screw mount.

So Philippe you're saying that the second one is a v.2? I thought it was the last pre-ASPH version because of the two aperture index marks. To me that looks like the sliding lens hood pulled out...

 

The OP certainly knows how to choose lenses eh?