mikej Posted March 3, 2010 Share #1 Posted March 3, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi, all - I haven't found any explanations for the 2 sets of frame lines in the 24mm viewfinder. Is the inner frame line for closeup parallax correction? Cheers, Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jpattison Posted March 3, 2010 Share #2 Posted March 3, 2010 Hi, The D-Lux 24 is mounted slightly differently to the standard 24mm finder, to allow for the pop-up flash. The standard M (latest) 24mm finder has outer framelines for full frame, inner for M8. There is also a horizontal set of marks within the FF set, near the top, that show the close focusing (set at 2 metres) shift of the field of view. No room to show these for M8 ! see...Leica Camera AG - Photography - NEW: LEICA VIEWFINDER M for 18, 21 & 24 mm lenses I'm wondering if they used the same display system for the D-Lux finder, but in a plastic case to reduce cost? Regards, John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ians Posted March 3, 2010 Share #3 Posted March 3, 2010 Mike I think the inner set is the field of view at 35mm. Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigelb Posted March 3, 2010 Share #4 Posted March 3, 2010 The inner set is for 35mm, outer for 24mm. This is in the instruction sheet that comes with the viewfinder. Your only problem is knowing exactly where 35mm is on the non-calibrated zoom scale, 24 mm is fully wide so easier. Nigel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikej Posted March 4, 2010 Author Share #5 Posted March 4, 2010 Thanks, all - I missed the data sheet hiding in the box - now all is clear (for a while). Cheers, Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ians Posted March 4, 2010 Share #6 Posted March 4, 2010 Mike note also that the viewfinder only corresponds to the 4:3 aspect ratio. Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo035 Posted March 4, 2010 Share #7 Posted March 4, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) The inner set is for 35mm, outer for 24mm. This is in the instruction sheet that comes with the viewfinder. Your only problem is knowing exactly where 35mm is on the non-calibrated zoom scale, 24 mm is fully wide so easier. Nigel The answer lies in this reply posted a year ago :already posted in another thread, viz "D-Lux 4 Viewfinder -what are you using ?" and repeated here for convenience ... and even LX 3 users ... a little experiment using EXIF data and a series of pictures taken at different zoom extensions which compared the location of the white zoom indicator bar to the: "1.64ft - 00(inf)" shown in the LCD while zooming. (The experimenter) used "P" mode and the digital zoom was turned off. Here are the results. If you set the white bar all the way to the left you (obviously) get 24mm. Under the "1" = 26mm. Under the "." = 28mm. Under the "6" = 32mm. Under the "4" = 37mm. Under the "f" = 41mm. Under the "t" 44mm. Under the "first empty space" = 48mm. Under the "hyphen" = 52mm. Under (actually a little to the left of) the "left infinity loop" = 57mm. And finally all the way to the right (again obviously) 60mm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted March 4, 2010 Share #8 Posted March 4, 2010 Leica makes 2 24mm viewfinders. One for the D-Lux 4 and the other is for the 24mm Summilux for the M system. I believe these viewfinders are essentially the same. Both have dual frame lines. In the documentation for the 24mm Summilux viewfinder it says that the inner fame lines are for the M8 and the outer lines for the M9. In the documentation for 24mm D-Lux 4 view finder it says the inner frame lines are for 35mm and the outer are for 24mm. These specs are the same. 24mm lens on the M8 is 35mm (ok 31.92 but for a viewfinder close enough). I own the vewfinder for the 24mm Summilux and declined the vewfinder for the D-Lux 4 after comparing them in the store and discovering they are the same internally. Of course the viewfinder for the 24mm Summilux is all metal with a nice leather case, and the viewfinder for D-Lux 4 is plastic with a cloth bag, and the 24mm for Summilux is $800 vs 24mm for D-Lux 4 is $300. But it appears to me that internally they are the same. My dealer says that the Viewfinder for the D-Lux 4 is tuned for the D-Lux 4 and the 24mm Summilux viewfinder is tuned for the 24mm Summilux. I had to remind him that 24mm is 24mm. And what is framed between the lines for both are the same (In store comparison). P.S. Brightness appears to about the same.. Now to try My FrankenFinder on the D-lux 4.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted March 4, 2010 Share #9 Posted March 4, 2010 note also that the viewfinder only corresponds to the 4:3 aspect ratio. Actually, I believe the D-Lux 4 finder takes the middle road of the three the camera offers, 3:2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted March 5, 2010 Share #10 Posted March 5, 2010 Actually, I believe the D-Lux 4 finder takes the middle road of the three the camera offers, 3:2. +1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_R Posted March 5, 2010 Share #11 Posted March 5, 2010 Inspired by the previous post "... a little experiment using EXIF data and a series of pictures taken at different zoom extensions..." I did this version which appeals to my preference for diagrams (and metric) Ian Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/114268-d-lux-4-24mm-viewfinder-frameline-question/?do=findComment&comment=1248812'>More sharing options...
jimbo035 Posted March 6, 2010 Share #12 Posted March 6, 2010 Inspired by the previous post "... a little experiment using EXIF data and a series of pictures taken at different zoom extensions..." I did this version which appeals to my preference for diagrams (and metric) Ian if only Leica had included such a diagram in the Instruction Book it would certainly have helped a lot us (we ?) D-Lux 4 afficianados. (As a focal length of 35mm and a 2:3 image ratio are my general peferences, I bought a second-hand cosina/voigtländer 35mm brightline finder for mine). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
griffster Posted March 6, 2010 Share #13 Posted March 6, 2010 Ah yes, the focal ranges. To be found in this thread. In short, the D-Lux 4 has a zoom consisting of twelve steps. qlaus (Klaus) has figured out which focal range goes where: "Interesting thread, parallel to a similar one in the German section. Thanks to griffster, I tried the 12 step procedure and could reproduce it a couple of times, resulting in focal length of 24, 26, 28, 30, 32, 35, 37, 41, 44, 48, 52, 57, 60 mm. But, the way of "flicking" the zoom lever needed to reproduce the results is not the way I'm used to (and like to) handle any device. So a modified firmware with the choice of a step approach like 24-28-35-50-60 would suit me much better. Have a good start into 2010, Klaus" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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