innerimager Posted February 25, 2010 Share #1 Posted February 25, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) One reason I went for the 21 lux is for covering music clubs with all their dark, dark, splendor. Here's a series from last weekend on the M9, Iso generally 2000, wide open with shutter speeds of 1/15 and occasionally slower. One incidental finding was that the Zeiss 21 finder, which I have praised, actually helped quite a bit because it was so bright it made framing much easier! best....Peter Zenfolio | Peter Halperin | Himalayan Yak Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted February 25, 2010 Posted February 25, 2010 Hi innerimager, Take a look here 21 lux on a club shoot. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
manolo Posted February 25, 2010 Share #2 Posted February 25, 2010 thanks for posting, someday for me. The pictures get better and better as the performance starts. That last one is grate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anguish Posted February 25, 2010 Share #3 Posted February 25, 2010 Perfect application for the lens. Thanks for sharing. I liked the ground floor shot #25 a lot. I can only imagine how dark it was there, especially among the crowd. The setup seems to do a pretty good job of capturing the available light. Was there much noise in the color versions? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
innerimager Posted February 26, 2010 Author Share #4 Posted February 26, 2010 Thanks guys- Yes the color versions were noisy, but if I wanted to stay in color, simple noise reduction with Dfine or ninja would have handled it. For me it's more the funky WB problems you run into with multiple lights flashing on and off etc, so I generally prefer B&W in these conditions, but not always.....Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikkor AIS Posted February 28, 2010 Share #5 Posted February 28, 2010 Great shots Peter, what is the name of the band and where can we hear a sample of their music/CD? Gregory Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
innerimager Posted February 28, 2010 Author Share #6 Posted February 28, 2010 Great shots Peter, what is the name of the band and where can we hear a sample of there music/CD? Gregory Thanks Gregory! Gotta say I wondered if folks disliked them! The band is truly a great one, named Ayurveda, based out of Ithaca NY. The two guitarists are Nepalese, and the music is a hybrid of east-west modalities, and they can flat out play. Check them out and let me know what you think! best....Peter AYURVEDA bei MySpace Music - Kostenlos MP3s anhören, Bilder & Musikvideos ansehen http://www.ayurvedamusic.com Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted February 28, 2010 Share #7 Posted February 28, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Peter... Particularly liked the final frame - but I was wondering a bit about exposure / PP - What ISO - and were you working manual or A mode..? How do you feel about the grain / noise effects? If it's deliberate, that's fine, but if (as in the case of 33) you're not too happy, it might be interesting to look at how exposure's working out... I don't have a comparable set with M9 at the moment, but the images here might give a point of comparison. They were shot with M8 + 21 elmarit / 50 lux / 90 cron mainly: Mathias Eick at the Vortex, as were these - Infants at the Artrocker ... reviewing these, I think I'd learned a lot about shooting digital M in the gap between the 2 gigs.. Be interested to hear your feelings on this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikkor AIS Posted February 28, 2010 Share #8 Posted February 28, 2010 Hey Peter: I just finished listening to/watching the grassroots music festival. AMAZING. I'm very impressed. You weren't kidding when you said those boys can play. WoW. Breaking some new ground. I love eastern undercurrents and the solid bass/percussion/drums. Very international sound with a tone of "Rush" in there; melodic transitions and time signature changes as well as hints of other bands like Led Zep and others. And yet a new sound all their own. The harder/faster it got the more I loved it. And from the reaction of the crowd, I'm not the only one. You could tell people were really getting into the band. No wonder, good band. Solid musicians with a bright future to be sure. Thanks for sharing. Would love to see some more images from their gigs/concerts/behind the scenes. I bookmarked the link and will going back for more. Gregory Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
innerimager Posted February 28, 2010 Author Share #9 Posted February 28, 2010 Chris- Thanks for looking and commenting. I like your coverage, both gigs. I was shooting at Iso 2000, 1.4, 1/15, really pushing to the limits. Manual exposure, and sometimes even slower shutter speeds were needed. I didn't process other than quick B&W conversion, noise could be handled to a large degree. Uaually in such dark conditions I take out my D3, iso 6400, and shoot my 28/1.4 or 50/1.4 wide open, and get much cleaner images than the M9 gives at iso 2000. But I wanted to see how the 21 lux responded as much as the camera, I knew I'd get a grainy and often soft look at 1/15 , sometimes 1/8, but for this kind of gig the look has it's place. Gregory- So glad you liked Ayurveda, I encourage others to check them out! If you guys want to see a lot of Ayurveda images here they are..... Zenfolio | Peter Halperin | Ayurveda best....peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markowich Posted March 1, 2010 Share #10 Posted March 1, 2010 One reason I went for the 21 lux is for covering music clubs with all their dark, dark, splendor. Here's a series from last weekend on the M9, Iso generally 2000, wide open with shutter speeds of 1/15 and occasionally slower. One incidental finding was that the Zeiss 21 finder, which I have praised, actually helped quite a bit because it was so bright it made framing much easier! best....PeterZenfolio | Peter Halperin | Himalayan Yak if i say that your shots look like D3s shots at 100 000 iso, do i get thrown out of this forum right away?---))) peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
innerimager Posted March 1, 2010 Author Share #11 Posted March 1, 2010 if i say that your shots look like D3s shots at 100 000 iso, do i get thrown out of this forum right away?---)))peter Nah, we're a tough skinned lot. Now how do I add you to my ignore list? ;<) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
63strat Posted March 1, 2010 Share #12 Posted March 1, 2010 I don't have a comparable set with M9 at the moment, but the images here might give a point of comparison. They were shot with M8 + 21 elmarit / 50 lux / 90 cron mainly Chris -- I like both of your sets here. Very little grain, and the photos convey the darkness of the club, with v. good balance of light and dark areas. And they are not introducing any additional light in to the shots, which I like. I'm always trying to do this myself, and sometimes I get it, sometimes not. Could you share your settings, in general for these sets? And did you do a lot of noise reduction? Seems like Peter may have been on A mode, and the camera was in full compensation mode for some of the shots. (Peter, I love your shots, but would prefer less grain and greater contrast in some, speaking only for myself.) For example, was #27 a lot darker in the club than what is conveyed in the photo, or was the club actually that bright? I like #39–very good. Thanks, Gary Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
innerimager Posted March 1, 2010 Author Share #13 Posted March 1, 2010 Hi Gary- Thanks for looking. I wasn't on A, rather locked in a 1/15, iso 2000, 1.4. occasionally ambient lighting would change enough to really brighten the scene, but I didn't want the camera doing any thinking with the frequent spot lights flashing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anguish Posted March 1, 2010 Share #14 Posted March 1, 2010 Nobody has answered Tribble's question, what did he learn between Eick and Infants? I'll start. His shutter speed is slower at Infants, yes? Other observations? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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