JeffreyTotaro Posted January 29, 2010 Share #21 Posted January 29, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) The 90 TE is a great lens. I bought one recently for the M9 too. I learned however in my research of it that there are 2 versions, one made in Canada and later ones made in Germany. The German ones will carry a higher price. Also be aware that there are many with a fogged rear group. Not sure why this happens, but I think its more common in the Canadian versions. You will see a variety of prices based on these things. The one I bought was probably too high but its perfect in every way. DAG has it now for 6-bit coding. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AlanJW Posted January 30, 2010 Share #22 Posted January 30, 2010 I had same dilemma and went for the discontinued Elmarit M. I was offered a new old stock lens at the same price as a Summarit and said yes, and am very pleased. Having handled both of them, I liked the built in hood and the build quality on the Elamrit as compared to the Summarit but it was a close call. I had the tele Elmar some time ago but wanted something faster. I have not used it much but what I have seen is very very good. The dealer was Photo Village in NY and I think they may have bought a bunch of Elmarits. Good guys to deal with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_K Posted January 30, 2010 Share #23 Posted January 30, 2010 I just ordered the Elmar-Macro last weekend, originally i was considering the Elmarit but changed my mind as i did quite a fair amount of close-up work. Hmm... can't wait for this lens to come :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D&A Posted January 30, 2010 Share #24 Posted January 30, 2010 Just some info, in case anyone is interested, which I recently posted elsewhere. I'm sure others who have used or tested the three lenses mentioned below, have experienced similar virtues and probably nothing that hasn't been mentioned or shown previously. A few days ago I did another semi formal test (major f-stops and three different distances) between the 90mm f2.8 Elmarit-M (e-46) and the last 90mm f2.0 Pre Asph since I've long suspected these two lenses were extremely close, both optically and in character...and thats why Leica had to distinguish more between these two and updated the 90mm Pre Asph to the 90mm AA (which I had on hand too and included in these tests). I've often felt that the last of the 90mm f2.0 (both pre Apsh and AA) weren't significantly different in size or handling from the 90mm f2.8 (unlike the Lux 75mm is from other 75's)...in what was I gaining or loosing..so decision was based on optical characteristics. Optically and in terms of sharpness, the 90mm Pre Asph and 90mm f2.8 were extremely close in almost all performance characteristics f-stop for f-stop...a bit more modern looking image and contrast would go to the 90mm f2.8 and a bit more "roundness" to the 90mm pre ASPH when both shot at f2.8 and f4 . Beyond those f-stops, not a lot to distinguish the two. These results could be seen at all subject to camera distances. Of course the 90mm pre ASPH gains a 1 stop advantage and the 90mm f2.8 gains a bit in compactness....both have built in sliding hoods. The 90mm AA was a different beast altogether...and had more contrast than the other two in most lighting circumstances throughout most of it's f-stop range. In terms of sharpness, it achieved a measurable advantage over the other two as the camera to subject distance increased...but this advantage in sharpness over the other non ASPH lenses decreased as all lenses were shot beyond approx. f4.5. The 90AA was also a bit more brutal in sharpness than the other two lenses in close-up range from f2 to f4.5... so this lens may not be ideal for certain portrait work. It had the highest contrast of all three almost extending out to f8. I think the 90mm f2.8, due to it's somewhat higher contrast (and apparent micro-contrast) than the 90mm Pre Asph at f2.8 and f4.. has it fitting optically in between the other two lenses (the 90mm Pre ASPH and 90mm AA)....so all three have enough to distinguish themselves to be put into slightly different categories, depending on desired use and application and also need for speed. I think the 90mm f2.8 currently is "all the rage" and for very good reason, but I wouldn't underestimate the last 90mm f2.0 Pre ASPH...as it may come as a surprise for those that haven't used it and the size difference (or disadvantage) is slight in my opinion...but then again I'm used to shooting with large or heavy lenses. To sum up...and in my opinion.. 1) The 90AA in some ways reminds me of current 75mm cron..when ultimate sharpness and contrast (and speed) is desired above all else and definitely a measure of superiority in both these attributes as when compared to the other two lenses. 2) The last 90mm f2.0 Pre Asph..a good choice with a slightly to slightly moderate lower contrast when compared to the other two lenses. Great for portraits, higher contrast lighting situations, speed and some reportage type situations and good all rounder with a stop advantage over the 90mm f2.8. 3) The last 90mm f2.8 when one of the best all around general use 90mm's is desired..good contrast (bit higher than the 90mm pre ASPH) smaller lighter weight package, excellent sharpness (a match for the 90mm pre Asph with a slight bump in contrast giving it a slight look of increased sharpness over the 90mm pre ASPH)..with a sacrifice of an f-stop compared to the other two in some low light situations. *** I also occasionally use the latest Macro Elmar 90mm f4..with and without the close-up adapter (eyes) an although I did not include it in my tests with the other three 90's above. I can say without hesitation that this lens is extremely sharp and high contrast, wide open and stopped down. If anything, it reminds me of the look of the 90mm f2.0 AA in many respects in how it draws (when that lens is also stopped down to f4). Please keep mind that many of the individual differences between these three lenses decrease or are almost eliminated when the lenses are stopped down to f4.5, f5.6 and beyond. Dave (D&A) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevem7 Posted January 30, 2010 Share #25 Posted January 30, 2010 I have shot with the 90 APO, 90 Summarit, and 90 Elmarit. For me, the best of the bunch as a perfect 90 for the M9 was the latest Elmarit. Beautiful lens, on the M9 it is gorgeous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkroomDiary Posted January 31, 2010 Share #26 Posted January 31, 2010 90mm Summarit-M! I've been shooting my M8 since day one for really high end stock agencies (Getty Creative and Masterfile) where quality control is at its highest. I never shot longer than the 50mm and the other day I picked up a new 90 Summarit-M and couldn't believe the quality on it. -Zoran Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsjxyz Posted January 31, 2010 Author Share #27 Posted January 31, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) I watch your gallery is amazing! my question is, do you use lens hood for your 90 summarit? Jerry 90mm Summarit-M! I've been shooting my M8 since day one for really high end stock agencies (Getty Creative and Masterfile) where quality control is at its highest. I nevershot longer than the 50mm and the other day I picked up a new 90 Summarit-M and couldn't believe the quality on it. -Zoran Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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