Guest BigSplash Posted January 16, 2010 Share #121 Posted January 16, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Nicole you are both brave and so logical. I agree with you and voiced the idea of using the USB port many pages back for a GPS device accessory and also a wireless driven electronic shutter release accessory. Now I notice that Jaapv seems to agree and various other threads support the idea of a GPS capapability. In fact clearly many Leica M users already like you GPS tag their images...albeit with difficulty. Bravo Nicole for your input. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bo_Lorentzen Posted January 16, 2010 Share #122 Posted January 16, 2010 The GPS thing is not really as critical as some seem to think. First consumer GPS is roughly 3m accuracy. Second, most photographers don't run THAT fast. There is no real huge demand for critical timing of the shot - waypoint 1-2 seconds would change very little. Most of my shots are taken with 4-5 seconds pause - naturally there is exceptions. This is why I have stuck to using a GPS thing stuffed in a pocket of my camerabag or in one of my own pockets, often I leave it when driving in the car-window as I don't care to carry it. As long as I am not more than 10-20m from the car anyway, its not really a issue. This is also why I have no real practical interest in a "leica M GPS" system at the moment, it would be extra weight and size on my M somewhere, also to make a GPS work it need a plastic body, GPS can not record through a metal box like a M body. so it would have to be a external device. personally I have no interest in sticking a "thingie" ever so cute on my M... Not when I get equally high quality location data from my pocket GPS in the camera bag. as long as the camera bag stays closer than about 3m nobody will know the difference. Taking a moment to set the camera clock accurately is really all that is required for fairly good GeoTagging. The ONLY leica GPS solution I would be interested in, would be a chip embedded INSIDE the camera, adding no size, and without changing the top plate to plastic. which would automatically with no action from my side, (other than setting the menu to GPS ON) tag each frame with a location tag. Andy, we do agree, I loved the F4 system. Frank we agree and disagree, I do not see a need for leica to do anything on this issue, and I strongly feel my M9 is the perfect M9 camera in its current embodiment. Sometimes a practically solved problem is not looking for a solution. (I have seen those virtual reality glasses one can hook to the ipod, personally I still enjoy kissing with no accessories better.) . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted January 16, 2010 Share #123 Posted January 16, 2010 The GPS thing is not really as critical as some seem to think. I agree. As one of the handful of people who have said they've geotagged their photographs, I have to say again that I do it very, very, rarely. If it were provided "in camera" at no cost, they I'd leave it switched on, but I can live quite easily without it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BigSplash Posted January 16, 2010 Share #124 Posted January 16, 2010 Bo and Steve I can understand where you are coming from and I sort of agree that fitting a cute gadget into the hot shoe and then a wire into the USB is not an elegant solution. Actually I do not like using a flash as it makes the camera top heavy, cumbersome etc. I also agree that replacing the top cover with a plastic one is not acceptable. For me what I feel is a burden is the messing about to follow as I understand it your methodology. I think what you are doing is as follows: Sync. camera and GPS unit....A pretty easy task, I have NO issue with that one! Photograph all day and dwonload images to Lightroom I guess. Download the days track of GPS values using supplied software from Nobo or whoever. Use another software to match date & time files for each image in lightroom and transfer this GPS data to the metafile of each image. Frankly this sounds combersome, and messy. I would like to know if that in reality is a fast easy process. If it is I guess I agree with you. Subsequently does your software allow you to select all images in a given area. ..say within 2 miles of a given GPS position? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo_Lorentzen Posted January 16, 2010 Share #125 Posted January 16, 2010 Frank, The software to select images based on location is a different ball of wax. some of the GPS solutions come with image management software like that. Im sure Lightroom 3.1 or something like that will do the same thing. I tend to code the files while ON the memory card, then importing the coded files straight into LightRoom, the coding should happen before Lightroom because you want the tag to be in the metatags before Lightroom read the tags in the first place. Notably, I do not geotag pictures from home, and some pictures of clients and some would be very unhappy seeing Hollywood sight-seers visiting on their doorsteps. So there is a definite question here about when applying this data. or removing the data before publishing online. Its one thing having the file contain the time and date it was created, a quite different thing having it contain a exact location...! Coding is a 5-10 minute project, pretty routine, I plug in the GPS dongle and dump the file, then connect the card and run the coding before I let Lightroom import the files. Thats it. There are probably thousands of different softwares for geotagging, its just really a matter of finding what you like best. This is why Im saying, the only acceptable solution, must be either what we have today, maybe streamlined by Lightroom... OR a completely invisible solution on the same line of involvement as the file time-stamp process. Its invisible and part of the file creation with no involvement from me. I will welcome that feature on a future M camera, I don't know how they will do it, and I don't really care as long as it does not add complexity, size or buttons to my M. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted January 16, 2010 Share #126 Posted January 16, 2010 I tend to code the files while ON the memory card, then importing the coded files straight into LightRoom, the coding should happen before Lightroom because you want the tag to be in the metatags before Lightroom read the tags in the first place I do the same, but tagging the files on the card could be slow if you have a large number of images to tag - at least using the software I use, other software may be faster I've no idea. If you import to Lightroom and them tag you'll need to reload the Exif from the files. The entire process is illustrated in the links I provided on the first page of this thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted January 16, 2010 Share #127 Posted January 16, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Trouble is, as soon as people have built in GPS, they won't even think to turn the damn thing off when it's not necessary. Brad and Angelina had better watch out. EVERYONE in the whole world will know where their children live... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted January 17, 2010 Share #128 Posted January 17, 2010 Brad and Angelina had better watch out. EVERYONE in the whole world will know where their children live... ...and those in witness protection programmes... and battered wives... etc... Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BigSplash Posted January 17, 2010 Share #129 Posted January 17, 2010 Bo ...many thanks for your reply. Makes a lot of sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BigSplash Posted January 17, 2010 Share #130 Posted January 17, 2010 Andy I notice that you already post your GPS position on every thread so you have nothing to hide. As for Bill I see that he is worried about the witness protection program etc......It is tempting but I shall not take the bait! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted January 17, 2010 Share #131 Posted January 17, 2010 The ethics of geotagging | Fleet Street 2.0 | Press Gazette Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BigSplash Posted January 17, 2010 Share #132 Posted January 17, 2010 Bill ...a very interesting article. I strongly can see the point that GPS data, private addresses should never be published. Specifically: I can believe that Bo's clients (celebrities as I understand it) would be horrified to have Jo Public at their front door due to their physical address being in the press. Likewise I would not like to advertise that I shall not be at home at my XXX address because I am going to travel somewhere. I am sure that friends of mine that seem to know where wild mushrooms are to be found would not like to advertise the exact place! Certainly the idea of my grandaughter's photos being referenced to the home address and then this put into the public domain fills me with horror. In my view the news media already have the addresses of all celebrities and prominent people so revealing GPS data for internal consumption within the journalist community is surely not an issue, provided that this is well controlled against a set of rules Personally I think that this is an area for govt. to legislate on as you have raised an interesting issue, and very valid concern. Irrespective of all that the article does suggest that GPS tagging is going to increasingly be a camera feature, and for some makes is already a reality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted January 17, 2010 Share #133 Posted January 17, 2010 Certainly the idea of my grandaughter's photos being referenced to the home address and then this put into the public domain fills me with horror. The point being that if someone used a GPS enabled camera, took some photographs of her at home and then uploaded them to the internet without stripping out the Exif data that's exactly what could happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted January 17, 2010 Share #134 Posted January 17, 2010 Andy I notice that you already post your GPS position on every thread so you have nothing to hide. You will also notice that every single one of my photographs is taken in exactly the same place... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted January 17, 2010 Share #135 Posted January 17, 2010 Been up to the Lakes today, and thought about geotagging myself with the iPhone while I was there. But decided that I knew where I was, so didn't bother. IPhone geotagging doesn't work with no phone signal, btw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted January 17, 2010 Share #136 Posted January 17, 2010 IPhone geotagging doesn't work with no phone signal, btw. Are you sure it was switched on long enough for to get a GPS lock? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted January 17, 2010 Share #137 Posted January 17, 2010 GPS is always on, unless you turn it off, but maps etc require a phone connection. Maybe Trails, without the map doesn't. To be honest, I haven't really fiddled with Trails to minimise its overhead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted January 17, 2010 Share #138 Posted January 17, 2010 GPS is always on, unless you turn it off, but maps etc require a phone connection. Maybe Trails, without the map doesn't. Andy, The maps need a phone (or WiFi) connection, but that doesn't stop Trails from logging your position since it uses the GPS in the iPhone. There's nothing to stop you building up your route in Trails without mapping, and then loading the map once you're back in an area with a phone signal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted January 17, 2010 Share #139 Posted January 17, 2010 Thanks Steve Thing is, I usually know where I am, and where I've been :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
redbaron Posted January 17, 2010 Share #140 Posted January 17, 2010 Thanks Steve Thing is, I usually know where I am, and where I've been :-) But surely it would be more accurate if a Leica device told you where you were. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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