piero Posted December 5, 2009 Author Share #21 Posted December 5, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) marcus: true. My intent was not to post something in favor of this or another system. I just liked the file, and the sensor. And for this matter the lens. The quality within the S2 file is fantastic, but it is like looking at the difference in performance between the Desmosedici and the M1 when we normal people go around getting from here to there on a decent few years old BMW or Honda, 'cause the clients are happy with those. Translation: the difference, although visible and nice - very - can't justify the purchase, given the market. Maybe the rental, if the fees are not the ones I have heard (€800 a day :D:D) by the way, the technicality is a slope where is easy to skid and forget the contact with real image making and image communication. nice shot of yours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted December 5, 2009 Posted December 5, 2009 Hi piero, Take a look here S2 sample image. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
marcusperkins Posted December 5, 2009 Share #22 Posted December 5, 2009 Thanks Piero. I understand your point entirely. My point, which was not clearly made, is the massive difference in system price for files that (if shot in identical circumstance) could be very difficult to tell apart. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
piero Posted December 5, 2009 Author Share #23 Posted December 5, 2009 Thanks Piero. I understand your point entirely. My point, which was not clearly made, is the massive difference in system price for files that (if shot in identical circumstance) could be very difficult to tell apart. and sometimes the client can't tell his ass from his elbow. be well Piero Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted December 7, 2009 Share #24 Posted December 7, 2009 and sometimes the client can't tell his ass from his elbow. be well Piero Or (in my experience) the printing process messes things up beyond recognition even when the client *can* tell the difference. At least that can be worked on... @ Marcus, the 1ds2 is a very nice camera, and controlled lighting of course brings out the best in it (I had one for years and liked it quite a lot). But leaving aside any differences in colour or tonality between Canon's cameras and Leica's S2 (that I see with the posted S2 images, and which I do believe is there even in my DMR FWIW) it's still worth pointing out that, like everything, the last 5% of image quality usually costs a premium and generally can't be justified simply on a normal ROI basis. I hear you both on the gap and the investment though... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted W Posted December 10, 2009 Share #25 Posted December 10, 2009 and sometimes the client can't tell his ass from his elbow. be well Piero Piero, any chance we (or I) could download the DNG from your sample shot? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
piero Posted December 14, 2009 Author Share #26 Posted December 14, 2009 Piero, any chance we (or I) could download the DNG from your sample shot? I have to ask if this shot of the model at the Leica day is "released". Let me ask and if yes I'll put it on my iDisk. Otherwise I'll put another DNG of an abstract capture Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted W Posted December 14, 2009 Share #27 Posted December 14, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
piero Posted December 17, 2009 Author Share #28 Posted December 17, 2009 Ted: I spoke to Leica this morning. The camera used at the Leica day was a pre production S2 with Beta firmware. They prefer not to give DNG. I obey. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted W Posted December 17, 2009 Share #29 Posted December 17, 2009 Thanks anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markowich Posted December 17, 2009 Share #30 Posted December 17, 2009 all of the existing MF systems (with at least comparable pixel count) easily match this S2 image. i am really surprised about the alleged S2 IQ. just check out guy&jacks review on getdpi. peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted December 24, 2009 Share #31 Posted December 24, 2009 all of the existing MF systems (with at least comparable pixel count) easily match this S2 image.i am really surprised about the alleged S2 IQ. just check out guy&jacks review on getdpi. peter Actually, the best surprise is to put your perspective in reverse: the beta S2 images easily match the existing MF options and surpass those without the resolution or stuff to get the job done. Time will only bring better profiles, better images, better processing. This is wholly encouraging, if you don't need the back-system aspect of the other MF cameras. BTW--I checked out Jack and Guy's review (of course). Very interesting stuff, and well done, as it always is with Jack and Guy, but their mostly landscape tests aren't all that telling to me at this point: both of them admit it's very early days for the S2 colour, for example, and for detail: I'm 90% positive there isn't a RAW converter out there optimised for the S2's characteristics yet. So at this point the IQ is totally encouraging, even if I'll never be able to get one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfarkas Posted December 24, 2009 Share #32 Posted December 24, 2009 Actually, the best surprise is to put your perspective in reverse: the beta S2 images easily match the existing MF options and surpass those without the resolution or stuff to get the job done. Time will only bring better profiles, better images, better processing. This is wholly encouraging, if you don't need the back-system aspect of the other MF cameras. BTW--I checked out Jack and Guy's review (of course). Very interesting stuff, and well done, as it always is with Jack and Guy, but their mostly landscape tests aren't all that telling to me at this point: both of them admit it's very early days for the S2 colour, for example, and for detail: I'm 90% positive there isn't a RAW converter out there optimised for the S2's characteristics yet. So at this point the IQ is totally encouraging, even if I'll never be able to get one Jamie, If you're playing with the DNGs provided at Guy and Jack's site and want to use C1, check out my profile for the S2. The color is much, much better than C1's DNG generic profile. LeicaR8-Leica S2 v2 (DF 1209).icc I called it LeicaR8 in order to get around C1's lack of (official) S2 support. Just drop it in the DSLR folder under Color Profiles and restart. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted December 25, 2009 Share #33 Posted December 25, 2009 Actually, the best surprise is to put your perspective in reverse: the beta S2 images easily match the existing MF options and surpass those without the resolution or stuff to get the job done. Time will only bring better profiles, better images, better processing. This is wholly encouraging, if you don't need the back-system aspect of the other MF cameras. BTW--I checked out Jack and Guy's review (of course). Very interesting stuff, and well done, as it always is with Jack and Guy, but their mostly landscape tests aren't all that telling to me at this point: both of them admit it's very early days for the S2 colour, for example, and for detail: I'm 90% positive there isn't a RAW converter out there optimised for the S2's characteristics yet. So at this point the IQ is totally encouraging, even if I'll never be able to get one Thanks Jamie , the S2 is very encouraging and a very nice cam. The color and profiles will come along and LR also so an area I am not too worried about on the S2 . It's just starting to hit the streets and like any of the raw converters they will catch up. C1 you also have to watch the spectral highlights transitions and they get blown but that is a profile issue and should get fixed as C1 builds a profile. The detail is there so that is not any issue , but sharpening in C1 is just not very good on the S2 . If you use pre sharpening 1 in the sharpening tool bring the top amount down to about 130 and it looks better and more normal. Obviously that is just a quick way and you can certainly play around with radius and threshold but right now C1 does not like the S2 on the normal settings. Really just a matter of profile. More of my concerns are more lenses and things of that nature that come out sooner than later. For the moment I bought a P40+ back but when the S2 is a fuller system for a working Pro than I will look at it again. Obviously being a one system shooter I have to wait it out until almost everything is out on the streets but for those that want to buy now and don't have my requirements it should serve them very well. Certainly without a doubt I can safely say it is in the MF league and far surpassing 35mm FF cams. So Leica has hit it's mark in that regard. I personally have a lot of check marks it needs to hit and they will get there. I think I said it a couple times it's a brand new concept and just needs to age a little. But a great start for Leica. Those raw files are still up and I encourage folks to download them and play around but also hold onto them as new profiles and such are made than go back and process them again . I think there are about 70 raws in total. BTW Merry Christmas folks and please go read that review , we worked pretty hard on it and it tells the story. I do hope to get the S2 in late Feb. on our next workshop so things may certainly improve by than and we can get a better feel for the files and hopefully see a 35mm lens by than. Also Raw developer can see the s2 DNG's and does have a profile for them but I have yet to try it out . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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