Bixi Posted November 28, 2009 Author Share #41 Posted November 28, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Thanks for all you insightful comments. Every single one is of interest for me. Today I borrowed my husband's M7 and M6 TTL. In some ways I prefer the M6 to the M7. The ON/OFF switch from the M7 isn't my favorite. Now I'm looking into the M6 TTL market as well. Let's enjoy the weekend, Bixi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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E.M Posted November 28, 2009 Share #42 Posted November 28, 2009 Hi Bixi, I think a M6 ttl is the best mechanical user-camera of the M-series because of the larger shutterspeeddial. The M6 classic is imo more beautiful and a true classic, I like the smaller size. Etienne Michiels Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thirdwheel Posted November 28, 2009 Share #43 Posted November 28, 2009 Thanks for all you insightful comments. Every single one is of interest for me. Today I borrowed my husband's M7 and M6 TTL. In some ways I prefer the M6 to the M7. The ON/OFF switch from the M7 isn't my favorite. Now I'm looking into the M6 TTL market as well. Let's enjoy the weekend, Bixi You should seriously consider an MP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riccis Posted November 28, 2009 Share #44 Posted November 28, 2009 You should seriously consider an MP. If you do, I have a beautiful anthracite MP + Leicavit on the classifieds Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.M Posted November 28, 2009 Share #45 Posted November 28, 2009 You can still find a M6TTL new, for a decent price , if you look around. Some stores still have them on the shelf. Etienne Michiels Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bixi Posted November 28, 2009 Author Share #46 Posted November 28, 2009 I just purchased a M7. Hopefully this one will arrive with me in New Zealand without any accidents. First, I'll get it CLD and also put in MP (flare free) glass put in. Best, Bixi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bixi Posted November 29, 2009 Author Share #47 Posted November 29, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) get it cld cld = cla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB23 Posted November 29, 2009 Share #48 Posted November 29, 2009 Bixi, that's needlessly throwing money out the window. Why a CLA? Just because we read about "CLAs" all over the Leica forums? A M7 is electronic and it therefore needs no lubrification and no cleaning since it's so recent. The patch? Who knows? Many M7 patches don't flare and they are supposedly not in the updated batch. The truth is, nobody can really tell when the M7s got the updates MP Patch. My M7 is the best example: Early serial number and the patch is flare-free and it never got updated. The person who will make the CLA on your camera probably won't even touch it and will send it back to you after 2 months just for good measure... after you will have paid him a huge amount of money... for nothing. A CLA is done when a camera needs one. Use that M7 first and then determine if it needs a real CLA. xxx Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bixi Posted November 29, 2009 Author Share #49 Posted November 29, 2009 Bixi, that's needlessly throwing money out the window. Why a CLA? Just because we read about "CLAs" all over the Leica forums?A M7 is electronic and it therefore needs no lubrification and no cleaning since it's so recent. The patch? Who knows? Many M7 patches don't flare and they are supposedly not in the updated batch. The truth is, nobody can really tell when the M7s got the updates MP Patch. My M7 is the best example: Early serial number and the patch is flare-free and it never got updated. The person who will make the CLA on your camera probably won't even touch it and will send it back to you after 2 months just for good measure... after you will have paid him a huge amount of money... for nothing. A CLA is done when a camera needs one. Use that M7 first and then determine if it needs a real CLA. xxx Hi Ned, Since I live so far away from Leica service men, and since I bought the camera from somebody in America, it's a close call to get it checked while the camera is still in the USA. Best, Bixi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB23 Posted November 29, 2009 Share #50 Posted November 29, 2009 Hi Ned,Since I live so far away from Leica service men, and since I bought the camera from somebody in America, it's a close call to get it checked while the camera is still in the USA. Best, Bixi Do what you want, but I'm 99.99% sure that it's in good working order. If not, send back for a refund. Any M7 today doesn't need a CLA. Repair? maybe, but CLA no. And you're not buying a M7 that's in need of a repair, right? So no CLA, that's it and that's all. All you'll be getting is a FAKE CLA. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thirdwheel Posted November 30, 2009 Share #51 Posted November 30, 2009 I would not be so sure, bought a camera on the net, and it was leaking..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB23 Posted November 30, 2009 Share #52 Posted November 30, 2009 I would not be so sure, bought a camera on the net, and it was leaking..... I am absolutely sure about what I write. Or I wouldn't be writing it. A leaking M7 should not be worth 1900$. This is why paypal offers protection, you know? And a CLA doesn't cover light leaks. What's the point of buying a camera that needs repairs? No. I stand by what I wrote. At 1900$, a M7 is not supposed to be needing any kind of CLA whatsoever. Especially not blindly just like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brent1965 Posted November 30, 2009 Share #53 Posted November 30, 2009 I'm with Bixi on this one. We here in New Zealand are a long long way away from later model Leica service people. If I were buying any relatively "new" second hand camera and then importing it down here to the bottom of the planet I would have it checked before departure - as it's simply easier, regardless of how recently it was made. prudent move Bixi, even if just for your peace of mind Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
redbaron Posted November 30, 2009 Share #54 Posted November 30, 2009 How are you guys in NZ posting here? Have you got electricity over there now? ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bixi Posted November 30, 2009 Author Share #55 Posted November 30, 2009 How are you guys in NZ posting here? Have you got electricity over there now? ;-) What is electricity? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted November 30, 2009 Share #56 Posted November 30, 2009 I am absolutely sure about what I write. It's still patronising bollocks. What's it to you whether someone wants to spend money on a CLA for an M7? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB23 Posted November 30, 2009 Share #57 Posted November 30, 2009 It's still patronising bollocks. What's it to you whether someone wants to spend money on a CLA for an M7? Believe me Wattsy, if you were the original poster, I wouldn't care at all about you losing your money. Just like all the others simply don't care and help perpetuate nonsense in general. You know, there is a terrible amount of BS flying high in the Leica forums all the time and I am rather having fun watching the ridicule: People spending other people's money, people recommending the lenses they own as the best lenses one should own and so on. But in this instance what do you know , I happen to know Bixi personally. And as opposed to you, I am giving her good advice. You are always wlecome to buy a camera that needs an expensive cla and get fooled in the process. Don't worry, if it happened I'd have fun at you silently like all the other folks. But in this case I surely don't want this to happen to a personal friend of mine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted November 30, 2009 Share #58 Posted November 30, 2009 I don't disagree with you about a CLA or all the other cack advice that gets bandied around around here, I just thought you were going on a bit. Obviously, I didn't know you knew the OP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brent1965 Posted November 30, 2009 Share #59 Posted November 30, 2009 I think what all the experts are forgetting is that any sensible Leica service person will open the camera, check its tricky bits and then only do what is actually required - and only charge for that. Their professional reputation is reliant on pragmatic & sensible service. Idiot & rip-off service people don't last long in specialist & small market industries like this - even more so now word-of-mouth recommendations & comments travel the globe in seconds. New Zealand is really distant Leica-wise and there are few good camera service people here, certainly less than five in the whole country. Of those only two I'd trust with an expensive manual camera, of those one will only work on M3 & earlier models. Heck - out on the street here I've only ever see one other Leica in my whole life. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thirdwheel Posted December 1, 2009 Share #60 Posted December 1, 2009 I am absolutely sure about what I write. Or I wouldn't be writing it.A leaking M7 should not be worth 1900$. This is why paypal offers protection, you know? And a CLA doesn't cover light leaks. What's the point of buying a camera that needs repairs? No. I stand by what I wrote. At 1900$, a M7 is not supposed to be needing any kind of CLA whatsoever. Especially not blindly just like that. A dealer cannot be totally sure that every camera of his is working fine 100% unless he shoots with every one of them, which is not possible if a dealer has many cameras in stock. What I am suggesting is to ask the dealer to get it serviced and checked (and pay a little fee for this if necessary - better still if the dealer can absorb part of the cost) so that the camera does not have to travel back to the seller again for this to be done, a process which could take months. Unfortunately, we do not live in an ideal world. By the way, this is supposed to be fun, but why do you sound so angry when you write? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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