bill Posted November 18, 2009 Share #41 Posted November 18, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) C'mon, chaps, are you really going to take someone seriously who calls people "Laddie"...? Clearly our angry friend is a Scottish Earl... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ...just hold this image in mind. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ...just hold this image in mind. Regards, Bill ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/104069-leica-m9-last-leica-camera-i-will-ever-buy/?do=findComment&comment=1121688'>More sharing options...
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plasticman Posted November 18, 2009 Share #42 Posted November 18, 2009 There seems to be so much animosity towards this Leica M9 rollout... Maybe it's because some people are tired hearing that the M8 is "dismal". Funnily enough, it was the greatest digital camera ever made just a couple months ago. Now it's "dismal". You gear-heads are a joke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicaiste Posted November 18, 2009 Share #43 Posted November 18, 2009 Maybe it's because some people are tired hearing that the M8 is "dismal". But then you were tired the very first day. You wrote the following about the M9 on 09/09/09. Plus one. I'm really relieved in a way - not that I don't still lust after full-frame and would love to run out and buy a chrome M9 if I had the cash, but many of the samples showed the usual abrupt hightlight transitions that are my main problem with digital, and the few higher-ISO samples weren't massively convincing imho. Of course none of this will be visible to the true believer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_dernie Posted November 18, 2009 Share #44 Posted November 18, 2009 Received my Grey M9 with 50mm 1.4 summilux and 28mm 2.0 summicron. This will likely be my last Leica camera that I ever buy. Bascially, the camera is a joy to use. The build quality is perfect. The images re-kindle the same excitement that I used to experience with my M7 film. I almost always shoot at fastest aperture and the Bokeh/Contrast is amazing. Now, I have 18Mp of FF camera which can print up to any size I will ever desire. For some reason, this camera system does improve my photography over my sold Canon gear. There has been no flaws with the camera. I repeat none. No aberations, no blobs, no dead lines, no IR purple, no lockups. Leica has made a customer for life. I cannot see any situation in the future that would require me to upgrade. It could be bad for Leica's long term financial situation since there will be so many customers who will never need a "better" camera. Well I guess they can always get my money on lenses. I know I paid Leica AG well for this camera, but I feel it is truly worth it. I think that the Leica team did a stellar job with this camera, and I salute them. Btw, I am no Leica fanboy, my opinion of the M8 was dismal. I judge based on the product and the results, not the name. There seems to be so much animosity towards this Leica M9 rollout. Do not believe it you might miss one of the greatest cameras you could ever have. I got my M9 3 weeks ago and tend to agree with almost everything you wrote, I also think my M8 is fantastic and I won't be selling it. My previous Leicas had been a IIIf, M3, M5 and M6 so my M8 was the first with automation. Frank Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest EarlBurrellPhoto Posted November 18, 2009 Share #45 Posted November 18, 2009 At least we get to see his (professional) work.... A lot of amateur work, including your own, is far better IMHO. If his work proves anything it's that he has an exalted opinion of himself, which comes as no surprise given the volume of his postings on various fora. disagreeing with everything respected photographers who have shot the M9 extensively say... Since we can rule out Mancuso, what respected photographers have I disagreed with? They've said the IR issue is generally small on the M9. I agreed. It's just that in my particular situation it happens to be critical, which makes the M9 not the best tool for me. Who I've disagreed with are the chaps who claim the M9 has no IR shift, when even Leica states in print that it does. Earl, since I am a gentleman, I have enough experience anf credit to think and say that these are B.S. ...enough to say it, but evidently not to prove it. And I hardly think your response qualifies you as anything of the sort of gentleman. C'mon, chaps, are you really going to take someone seriously who calls people "Laddie"...? Clearly our angry friend is a Scottish Earl... ...just hold this image in mind. Regards, Bill Ethnic slurs? Is that permitted here, even granting the double-standard for long-time posters? Maybe it's because some people are tired hearing that the M8 is "dismal".Funnily enough, it was the greatest digital camera ever made just a couple months ago. Now it's "dismal". You gear-heads are a joke. At least someone else hasn't been drinking the koolaid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted November 18, 2009 Share #46 Posted November 18, 2009 But then you were tired the very first day. You wrote the following about the M9 on 09/09/09. That comment referred to the absolutely abysmal images that were posted on dpreview. Care to defend them? There was a great deal of oohing and ahhing about them straight away I remember - from the true believers. Since then I tried the camera for myself - and came to the same conclusion. Anyways, I assume that this means you endorse the point-of-view that the M8 is a "dismal" camera? btw I'm flattered that you take the trouble to read through all of my previous posts. I think I have a secret admirer! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted November 18, 2009 Share #47 Posted November 18, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) IMHO, "Laddie" is a patronising term, not an "ethnic slur" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted November 18, 2009 Share #48 Posted November 18, 2009 IMHO, "Laddie" is a patronising term, not an "ethnic slur" I think our friend the Earl felt that my calling him out for his patronising over-familiarity by suggesting that he is of noble Caledonian birth was being insulting in turn to him. Heaven only knows what he would have said if I had suggested he was a Fenian. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Posted November 18, 2009 Share #49 Posted November 18, 2009 This will likely be my last Leica camera that I ever buy.. I cannot remember the number of times I have said that. My M6 did last over 20 years! I'm looking ahead to the M43 which rumor has it will do remarkable things Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest EarlBurrellPhoto Posted November 18, 2009 Share #50 Posted November 18, 2009 IMHO, "Laddie" is a patronising term, not an "ethnic slur" I was referring to Bill's remark and cartoon. I take it there's now WiFi in the pubs on your side of the pond But laddie is not a patronising term AFAIK, at least not in eastern Canada and at least not amongst middle-aged folk. All my closest friends call one another laddie. But perhaps elsewhere it is patronising, therefore I'll not use the term again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry34n Posted November 18, 2009 Share #51 Posted November 18, 2009 Congretulations for the new camera. Next week i will become my M9. Hope, im then so lucky like you! Best regards Tobias Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mauribix Posted November 18, 2009 Share #52 Posted November 18, 2009 ...enough to say it, but evidently not to prove it. And I hardly think your response qualifies you as anything of the sort of gentleman. . In fact that was a taunt, and you're quarrelsome enough not to pass by. As to make things clear, and pose some questions: Why did you choose to post in a dedicated forum of a camera you don't like, you don't have and you don't want to have? Do you really think that all the people here, M9 enthusiastic you may say, are dumb just because they don't share your vision of the M9? That's pompous IMHO. Dunno what's irritating and pushing you to write so many negative posts, in such a positive thread (Sorry if I can't find them at least constructive). As a matter of fact the O.P. is happy with the camera, and he was far from sayin' that the M9 is the best camera in the world; he said that's enough for him as to be the best for him. I guess that's too much to understand for you... that's positive in the end! If you can't get that, just give us a break. We know you don't like the M9, but you should pass by these personality disorder, and start with a cure. Otherway, go tell the children that Santa's not real, that should make you feel the same I guess, and children usually tend not to quarrel (that's easier too). BTW, I'm not a gentleman for you, that's not disturbing me. I just expressed my opinion, and I know that since I was not going along with your wishes, that could be causing your reaction. salutame 'a soreta. (Old italian sayin') Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spersky Posted November 18, 2009 Author Share #53 Posted November 18, 2009 Maybe it's because some people are tired hearing that the M8 is "dismal".Funnily enough, it was the greatest digital camera ever made just a couple months ago. Now it's "dismal". You gear-heads are a joke. Actually, the M8 was always dismal in my book. That is why I never bought it. I was my opinion and still is. That is why I am back on the LEICA M9 Forum. Because I finally came back to Leica with the M9. Go post how great the M8 is on the M8 forum ie. "The M8 is the greatest camera ever made and anyone who buys the M9 is a sucker who needs FF and better ISO and better ergonomics, and I love those purple IR filters." Anyway, I wanted to drop in and I sure did not expect this thread to devolve into M8 vs M9 thread. Been shooting all day. Very nice day indeed. If I was so happy with the M8 I would not even waste my time with the M9 forum. I would let those poor suckers wallow in their own misery, who spent 7000 dollars on their new camera (which is really no better than the M8) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
viramati Posted November 18, 2009 Share #54 Posted November 18, 2009 What is wrong with everyone? I really can't believe how people just trade insults on these forums. Relax (Love the M9) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted November 18, 2009 Share #55 Posted November 18, 2009 Actually, It was always dismal in my book. That is why I never bought it. I was my opinion and still is. That is why I am back on the LEICA M9 Forum. Because I finally came back to Leica with the M9. Go post how great the M8 is on the M8 forum ie. "The M8 is the greatest camera ever made and anyone who buys the M9 is a sucker who needs FF and better ISO and better ergonomics, and I love those purple IR filters." It's no surprise to me that you didn't own the M8. And your childish and aggressively offensive attitude is typical of exactly what I'm talking about. I personally don't have any illusions about how good the M8 is: in some things, many other cameras far surpass it. I personally have taken a liking to the way it renders color and grain, even though I'd obviously rather it was full-frame (something I've said consistently for the last two years). And in terms of high ISO, there's no doubt that the combination of in-camera processing and bigger sensor of the M9 make it much better for low-light photography than the M8. Still, the reason I posted in this thread was because offensively childish and stupid comments like your ones above have become all too typical of the rowdy new M9 crowd, and I thought I'd redress the balance. Incidentally, in what way are the ergonomics better on the M9? It lacks the 8000 shutter speed that I use all the time with my Noctilux and Summilux 50, and it also lacks the invaluable top-plate LCD. Is it just the lens menu? I think we'll be seeing that on the M8 sometime soon anyway. So please tell me about the better ergonomics again? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted November 18, 2009 Share #56 Posted November 18, 2009 I would let those poor suckers wallow in their own misery, who spent 7000 dollars on their new camera (which is really no better than the M8) I think this comment - that you added while I was responding - says all that needs to be said about your attitude to the equipment. You're obviously overjoyed to have that expensive trophy round your neck, and I'm sure all your neighbors are gonna get to hear about it, too. You do seem to have a chip on your shoulder though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted November 18, 2009 Share #57 Posted November 18, 2009 OK. That's enough taunting and stick poking. Any more and the thread gets closed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mauribix Posted November 18, 2009 Share #58 Posted November 18, 2009 OK. That's enough taunting and stick poking. Any more and the thread gets closed. Yes, that's the best thing to do Andy. IMHO. Recently too many threads were pushed down by negative comments, and this is not usual for this forum. I'm a bit sorry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted November 18, 2009 Share #59 Posted November 18, 2009 Yes, that's the best thing to do Andy. IMHO.Recently too many threads were pushed down by negative comments, and this is not usual for this forum. I'm a bit sorry. I find that there are some persistent naysayers of the M9 no matter what is being discussed, and I don't support them. But I object that it''s possible to say any rubbish whatsoever about the M8 (often by people who've never owned or even used it), and this seems to be considered totally okay, and that M8 owners are made very unwelcome on this part of the forum, if they stick-up to defend the camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest EarlBurrellPhoto Posted November 18, 2009 Share #60 Posted November 18, 2009 In fact that was a taunt, and you're quarrelsome enough not to pass by. So what you're saying is, you purposely intended to bait me into a quarrel, and you're not afraid to flaunt that fact in the face of the moderators. Yikes, there must be even more of a double-standard here than I was warned of. Why did you choose to post in a dedicated forum of a camera you don't like, you don't have and you don't want to have?Because a) I never said I don't like it, I just said it doesn't suit my professional needs as well as the M8, b)I'm not the only one posting here who doesn't have an M9, in fact there have been very few of them actually delivered into customers' hands, and I don't recall where it said owning one was a requirement to post, and c)I said several times that I do want to have an M9, it's just that since it will have to be only for my recreational photography I prefer to wait until Photokina 2010 when I expect that the M9 will be replaced by a better-featured model and I will either buy one and join in the love-fest and M9-bashing that you and others will undoubtedly engage in or get an M9 at deep discount and listen to you call it "dismal" and laugh, as I'm laughing now at people calling the M8 "dismal" when six months ago it was the Holy Grail of photography . Do you really think that all the people here, M9 enthusiastic you may say, are dumb just because they don't share your vision of the M9? That's pompous IMHO.Of course not. That is just you projecting your own pomposity into a completely fallacious insinuation. you should pass by these personality disorder, and start with a cure.Otherway, go tell the children that Santa's not real, that should make you feel the same I guess, and children usually tend not to quarrel (that's easier too). Boy oh boy, you must really have immunity in these parts, if you can make that kind of blatant attack and get away with it. BTW, I'm not a gentleman for you, that's not disturbing me Or, evidently, embarrassing you...which should be disturbing to you, one would think. NOTE: I was posting this and didn't see Andy's post above. Sorry! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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