Ed_K Posted November 26, 2009 Share #21 Posted November 26, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) 60mm for me as well, it's my most used focal length; too bad our Dlux-4 "forgets" everytime she wakes up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted November 26, 2009 Posted November 26, 2009 Hi Ed_K, Take a look here New Firmware for D-Lux 4. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
ho_co Posted November 26, 2009 Share #22 Posted November 26, 2009 Thanks, Ed, Reg, Bill, Dave! Good points all. And I certainly hadn't thought about the amount of energy the camera wastes resetting to 24mm equivalent every time it wakes up. Reminds me of an old Kodak digital camera (DC290, with a whopping 2.1 megapixels) that included a scripting language. You could program it to wake up in a particular state, or to do time-lapse, or to shoot one picture at each resolution and each compression setting, or just about anything you wanted. Now here we've got a camera that really has enough features that a programming capability like that really could be useful--but apparently the company who licensed the script language has disappeared in the meantime. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
griffster Posted November 26, 2009 Share #23 Posted November 26, 2009 Yes, time-lapse would be most appreciated with this new firmware. I guess I'll have to get some kind of gizmo for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azeredo Posted November 28, 2009 Share #24 Posted November 28, 2009 Confrères in Leica, Only to remember: 03/2008 - Leica D-Lux4 firmware 1.2 09/2009 - Panasonic LX3 firmware 2.0 10/2009 - Leica comment about D-Lux4 firmware 2.0 and promise it to late October. DL 4 Firmware Upgrade: Leica Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review 11/2009 - Rumor that D-Lux4 firmware 2.0 will be posted day 11/16/2009 Until now, D-Lux4 users are waiting. Can this create lose confidence in Leica capacity or quality? Sure not. But, good business must be done with clear information, from booth sides. I believe that Leica is in debt with the users about, how and when this firmware upgrade will be available, if there are any intention to do it. I am Azeredo, and this is my opinion. PS: sorry for my English; is not my natural language Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhsimmonds Posted November 28, 2009 Share #25 Posted November 28, 2009 Azeredo Your English is perfectly adequate to get this message across and I agree 100%. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelos Viskadourakis Posted November 28, 2009 Share #26 Posted November 28, 2009 does any body knows if the ability to stop in predetermined focal lengths will be included? like stop at 24mm-28mm-31mm-35mm-40mm-50mm-60mm. That would turn the mini camera into a whole system with many "interchangable " lenses and would help all photographers especially M photographers in approaching with the composition idea in hand as the zoom has no exact stop and is fishing before it stops. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted November 28, 2009 Share #27 Posted November 28, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) 03/2008 - Leica D-Lux4 firmware 1.209/2009 - Panasonic LX3 firmware 2.0 LX3 firmware 2.0 was issued 28 September, but then withdrawn. It was replaced with firmware 2.1 on 21 October according to Panasonic re-posts firmware for DMC-LX3: Digital Photography Review. So let all your D-Lux 4 expectations slide at least one month. No, it's not here. Yes, we're waiting patiently. And it will come. Panasonic got it wrong the first time and we want Leica to get it right the first time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted November 28, 2009 Share #28 Posted November 28, 2009 does any body knows if the ability to stop in predetermined focal lengths will be included? Angelos, there's no indication of that. See the Panasonic .pdf file linked from http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/digital-forum/106122-new-firmware-d-lux-4-a.html#post1123870 to see what we're expecting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelos Viskadourakis Posted November 29, 2009 Share #29 Posted November 29, 2009 Angelos, there's no indication of that. See the Panasonic .pdf file linked from http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/digital-forum/106122-new-firmware-d-lux-4-a.html#post1123870 to see what we're expecting. thank you ho_co ,i hope someone in LEICA will think about it and add this function as will liberate a lot of us. 24-28-31-35-40-50-60 mm DLUX 4 lens stops. Does anybody knows how to hack the software for this addition,i would pay a lot for something like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted November 29, 2009 Share #30 Posted November 29, 2009 I don't argue with your wish, Angelos, but I don't understand it. One of the great advances that zooms brought us IMHO was the freedom from being bound to a single focal length. Now we can just choose the field of view that fits the image, whether that's 31mm or 37mm or whatever else. Again, that's just my personal viewpoint. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelos Viskadourakis Posted November 30, 2009 Share #31 Posted November 30, 2009 I don't argue with your wish, Angelos, but I don't understand it. One of the great advances that zooms brought us IMHO was the freedom from being bound to a single focal length. Now we can just choose the field of view that fits the image, whether that's 31mm or 37mm or whatever else. Again, that's just my personal viewpoint. dearest ho_co of course the zoom function will remain as is, the "option" to choose the focal length in advance is an extra benefit along with the zoom function.In general if we have an idea before we shoot after observing our subject and we choose the angle and perspective then we move around the subject to get the perfect composited image as we do with pro cameras and we end with much better composed images.Again is an option for more pro like shooting with a mini camera ( CM,X1,DP1,DP2,ricoh GR etc mini pro). But the biggest and even greatest advantage will be the ability to use an optical or EVF viewfinder in order to compose with real control -having the camera in front of your eye,see details etc. DLUX 4 has real large print potentials and by equip her a liitle bit more pro can highly benefit photographers in reportage,art photography and every day quality use. 24mm-28mm-31mm-35mm40mm-50mm-60mm with a matcing viewfinder and of course the existing zoom function. Another option is to add the focal length in the screen info in order to add the viewfinder of our favorite focal length and compose properly. DLUX4 Flickr: Angelos Viskadourakis' Photostream shots below shot with DLUX4 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/103769-new-firmware-for-d-lux-4/?do=findComment&comment=1135009'>More sharing options...
nhabedi Posted November 30, 2009 Share #32 Posted November 30, 2009 I don't argue with your wish, Angelos, but I don't understand it. One of the great advances that zooms brought us IMHO was the freedom from being bound to a single focal length. You should use a camera like the Ricoh GX200 one of these days. You can set it to work like every other run-of-the-mill zoom out there (which is the default), but you can also set it to advance in discreet steps from 24mm to 28mm to 35mm to 50mm and finally to 72 mm (35mm equivalents). Needless to say, it'll also remember the last focal length it was set to and you can store a preferred focal length with each of the three user modes, i.e. you can, say, power up the camera at ISO 400, black-and-white, 28mm for street shooting or at ISO 100, color, 70mm for portraits. I haven't seen that on any other brand so far although it seems like a pretty easy thing to do. (My impression is that Ricoh is usually way ahead of the pack in terms of "obvious" usability improvements.) This way, you certainly don't lose the freedom from being bound to a single focal length. But you get the ability to change to another focal length very quickly and precisely, and you can deliberately restrict yourself to use focal lengths you might be familiar with from other cameras (where you use primes). That includes the chance to use external OVFs, maybe even "combined" ones as produced by Voigtländer. If you prefer "hunting" for the right compostion while looking through the LCD and jerking the zoom as on SLRs, you can of course also do that - see above. Think of it as getting not a Tri-Elmar but a "Penta-Elmar" for free. Or in the case of the D-Lux 4 it'd almost be a "Penta-Summicron"... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelos Viskadourakis Posted November 30, 2009 Share #33 Posted November 30, 2009 You should use a camera like the Ricoh GX200 one of these days. You can set it to work like every other run-of-the-mill zoom out there (which is the default), but you can also set it to advance in discreet steps from 24mm to 28mm to 35mm to 50mm and finally to 72 mm (35mm equivalents). Needless to say, it'll also remember the last focal length it was set to and you can store a preferred focal length with each of the three user modes, i.e. you can, say, power up the camera at ISO 400, black-and-white, 28mm for street shooting or at ISO 100, color, 70mm for portraits. I haven't seen that on any other brand so far although it seems like a pretty easy thing to do. (My impression is that Ricoh is usually way ahead of the pack in terms of "obvious" usability improvements.) This way, you certainly don't lose the freedom from being bound to a single focal length. But you get the ability to change to another focal length very quickly and precisely, and you can deliberately restrict yourself to use focal lengths you might be familiar with from other cameras (where you use primes). That includes the chance to use external OVFs, maybe even "combined" ones as produced by Voigtländer. If you prefer "hunting" for the right compostion while looking through the LCD and jerking the zoom as on SLRs, you can of course also do that - see above. Think of it as getting not a Tri-Elmar but a "Penta-Elmar" for free. Or in the case of the D-Lux 4 it'd almost be a "Penta-Summicron"... fantastic post ,all well said and the finest is DLUX 4 with epta-summicron.if ricoh can do it and can see the reason to do it ,i'm sure our beloved Leica firmware team can do it as well and even better-i hope. epta is seven in Greek like penta/e is five.Ricoh is top functioning mini pro (i use 2 GRV"s with film constantly) but image quality is better in DLUX4 for my taste and i like Leica products sooooo much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted November 30, 2009 Share #34 Posted November 30, 2009 Hadn't occurred to me to match a focal length with an external finder (other than the Leica 24mm finder). I learn something new every day on the Forum. Good explanations. Thanks, folks! BTW Angelos-- The lady in your second picture seems to have held up pretty well, assuming those are her legs in picture 1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhabedi Posted November 30, 2009 Share #35 Posted November 30, 2009 The lady in your second picture seems to have held up pretty well, assuming those are her legs in picture 1. As I know you understand German, did you know the old adage "Von hinten Lyzeum, von vorne Museum"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalina Posted November 30, 2009 Share #36 Posted November 30, 2009 Angelos, those are really nice images! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrtaber Posted November 30, 2009 Share #37 Posted November 30, 2009 Nhabedi, that adage made my day! I'm still chuckling. Thanks. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelos Viskadourakis Posted November 30, 2009 Share #38 Posted November 30, 2009 BTW Angelos-- The lady in your second picture seems to have held up pretty well, assuming those are her legs in picture 1. should i consider that you didn't like my selfportrait in p3 ??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted December 1, 2009 Share #39 Posted December 1, 2009 Angelos-- The pictures are wonderful. Thanks for posting them. If that's your self-portrait, I guess I can understand why you and I might see these wanted features of the update differently! nhabedi-- Den Spruch "Von hinten Lyzeum, von vorne Museum" kannte ich nicht, werde ich aber nun nicht vergessen! Zutreffend ja auch, weil wir im Moment von neuer Firmware für eine alternde Kamera reden. Neue Tricks für die Alte, also. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianho_ Posted December 4, 2009 Share #40 Posted December 4, 2009 does any body knows if the ability to stop in predetermined focal lengths will be included?like stop at 24mm-28mm-31mm-35mm-40mm-50mm-60mm. That would turn the mini camera into a whole system with many "interchangable " lenses and would help all photographers especially M photographers in approaching with the composition idea in hand as the zoom has no exact stop and is fishing before it stops. That would be a really nice addition. What I do now when I want 50mm is to zoom in until the LCD shows 2x zoom n stop immediately. So we kinda have 24mm, 50mm n 60mm. All we need now is 28mm n 35mm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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