doug_m Posted November 15, 2009 Share #21 Posted November 15, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) In regard to the original post- the simple answer is a resounding yes you should keep the lux even if you buy the Nocti. The lux also focuses down to 0.7 M; whereas, the Nocti only goes to 1 M and this can be a big deal for an all around lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted November 15, 2009 Posted November 15, 2009 Hi doug_m, Take a look here Noct @ f/1.4 = Lux ASPH @ f/1.4. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
mwilliamsphotography Posted November 15, 2009 Share #22 Posted November 15, 2009 If the criteria is "all around lens" then I agree with Roger. My feeling is that I don't see a 50mm as my "all around lens" preferring a 35mm for that purpose. If I got another 50mm besides the 0.95, it'd be the Cron for size, cost and all that. Something really different than the Nocti. -Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo_Lorentzen Posted November 15, 2009 Share #23 Posted November 15, 2009 Marc, I second that, a 50 cron for weight and size, the lux is too close to the noct. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikkor AIS Posted November 15, 2009 Share #24 Posted November 15, 2009 I have to agree the close focus of the Noctilux is the one down side of the lens. You can't have everything. For me the speed and look more than make up for the 1 meter close focus. Iv got dozens of lenses that focuses closer than 1 meter I only have one that gives me f 1.0 Gregory Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheewai_m6 Posted November 16, 2009 Share #25 Posted November 16, 2009 if cost is a big big issue, would the 50mm cron asph suffice? is the rendering and contrast etc.... of the cron up to a good enough standard? or is it more about the look and feel that is more important? do the nocit, lux and cron all have very different characteristics? as an all rounder, i thought maybe the cron would be fairly good. i gather the only reason you'd have a nocti is to use it wide open. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted November 16, 2009 Share #26 Posted November 16, 2009 There is no 50mmm Summicron ASPH. That is a 1979 vintage lens. You are perhaps referring to the current 50mm Summilux ASPH (2004). This is a splendid optic and gives me good images more or less down to the limit of light where I can no longer focus the rangefinder. So, for practical purposes, there is no need for a Noctilux, of any ilk. Today, this lens exists because (a) some people love its optical aberrations, and ( some people love the name. The old man from the Age of the 1:1.2 Noctilux Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mauribix Posted November 16, 2009 Share #27 Posted November 16, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Today, this lens exists because (a) some people love its optical aberrations, and ( some people love the name. Lars, I have somehow to disagree... the 1 stop advantage of the nocti over the lux IS a real advantage. It doesn't mean (as you surely know, but seemed to omit) that you can shoot where you couldn't have with a lux, it means that, most of the times, in my experience, you can get a steady shot where you couldn't with a slower lens. Shooting a 1/30" is way better than 1/15" with a 50mm lens, isn't it? Then again, unless available light is the biggest issue, choosing the nocti instead of the lux it's because of its "fingerprint", not just because of the extra stop IMHO. I mean, the extra stop is an advantage probably well compensated by the issue of a longest focus distance, so, at least for me, when I use the nocti (and I own a 50lux ASPH too) it's because I want to use a nocti for what it is, not just for its "aberration"(I like its contrast and colours and I like the barrel distortion too). Now you may say that some may get the nocti just because of the hype, but that's not an absolute truth as to involve some to classify just two kind of users for the nocti IMO. That's not different from choosing a summicron 35IV vs the 35ASPH, the only difference is the price. Let me explain... Being the expense of a 35cron far smaller than that of a Nocti, nobody seems to condemn the same behaviour; as a matter of fact you may choose the Nocti instead of the lux ASPH as you can choose the Cron IV instead of the Cron ASPH... but will they downsize you to a stereotype when it's up to the 35mm lenses?NO... why? This is a splendid optic and gives me good images more or less down to the limit of light where I can no longer focus the rangefinder.So, for practical purposes, there is no need for a Noctilux, of any ilk. I never found the visibility limit of the RF to match more or less that of a 1.4lens, so unless I read wrong, that should be just your case... but I can't share the opinion that "for practical purposes, there is no need for a Noctilux". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwilliamsphotography Posted November 16, 2009 Share #28 Posted November 16, 2009 So, for YOU, there is no practical purpose Lars ... but perhaps not so for EVERYONE. Ran into a "Nottilux Moment" at my wedding shoot on Saturday ... guess they were trying to save on the electric bill they had the lights down so low. Wedding receptions are notorious for low moody light with lots of specular hot spots ... so it's either fast aperture optics that handle flare well, or resort to flash ... or both. Just ordered a 75/1.4 for the same reason. Different strokes for different folks. Marc "The young thinking man from the age of digital cameras and deliciously fast M lenses." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikkor AIS Posted November 16, 2009 Share #29 Posted November 16, 2009 I wish someone who had both lenses would shot a low light subject at both at f/1.4. Im become more and more curious to why so many stick to there guns about the lecia 50mm 1.4. Im open to the idea there is room in the bag for more than one 50:). The fact that some seem to think that the Noctilux is over hyped and not practical is a perfectly acceptable point of view. Of course there completely wrong:p , but I stand by there right to express there opinion. The price of the Noctilux and unique optical foot print may make some look to the Lecia 50 f/1.4 for a more conventional rendering. And that's cool. but know one in there right mind can dispute the advantage of a full f-stop of light on the business end of the camera. Gregory Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mauribix Posted November 16, 2009 Share #30 Posted November 16, 2009 I stand by there right to express there opinion. Gregory, we know well Lars, and nobody with a brain will ever get his right of express his opinion off. I said that I disagree, and I explained why. Anyway, since I own both lenses and you asked, I'll try to make those shots later today. Will you mind if no human subject will be involved? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikkor AIS Posted November 16, 2009 Share #31 Posted November 16, 2009 thanks, A non human subject would be great. Of course choose a background which shows off the Noctilux unique bokeh;). I never said it had to be a fair test. Gregory Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mauribix Posted November 16, 2009 Share #32 Posted November 16, 2009 thanks, A non human subject would be great. Of course choose a background which shows off the Noctilux unique bokeh;). I never said it had to be a fair test. Gregory meanwhile... (no art involved here, that's sure, just a friend's snapshot) (nocti+M9) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/103689-noct-f14-lux-asph-f14/?do=findComment&comment=1118696'>More sharing options...
Peter Lea Posted November 16, 2009 Share #33 Posted November 16, 2009 I said this in a post some months ago, but the "point" of the Nocilux is not necessarily to shoot at F1.0, but to take advantage of the way it draws the image, and particularly the way it handles light sources within the image. That can be beautiful. I'm with the poster who said that he uses a 35mm as a "standard" lens; for me, the 50mm is a special purpose lens. Though I admit I also have a Heliar 50mm F3.5 for when I want something really compact on the camera, but I don't use either very often. Peter Lea Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerndReini Posted November 16, 2009 Share #34 Posted November 16, 2009 I'm with the poster who said that he uses a 35mm as a "standard" lens; for me, the 50mm is a special purpose lens. This was somewhat the case for me with the M8, but since I got my M9, the 50lux has been hard-mounted on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikkor AIS Posted November 16, 2009 Share #35 Posted November 16, 2009 Mauizio: Nice snap shot. Just amazing. Gregory Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsmith Posted November 17, 2009 Share #36 Posted November 17, 2009 Yes it's worth keeping your 1.4 asph because even at 1.4, 2.0, 2.8, 4.0, even 5.6 the 50 1.4 asph incredibly sharper than the Noct on the l-r edges of your frame (on a horz). The 1.0 Noct is a remarkable lens for it's unique look, BUT not in the same league with the asph. when accurate recording is desired. Also the Noct is the last lens you would want to use at 1.0 or 1.4 when shooting "night time" cityscapes. It's strength is in it's unique "art" look when shooting many common scenes. To accurately record low light scenes, you will want to use the 50 1.4 asph. I have never used the new .95 Noct so it may be closer to the 1.4 but from what I have seen posted, it doesn't have the same unusual "art" look as the 1.0. It seems to be a combination of the 1.4 and the 1.0. I bought a 1.4 asph after owning the Noct and experiencing all it's disadvantages. (but kept the Noct too) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheewai_m6 Posted November 17, 2009 Share #37 Posted November 17, 2009 is it possible for someone to post 3 of the same photos one taken with nocti and one with the lux? both at f1.4 and then nocti at 0.95 or 1.0 whichever nocti you have. please? i can't find someone putting 2 DIRECT comparisons up anywhere. just something in your own house would do. a subject in the foreground and a background that would really show the character of both lenses. please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthury Posted November 17, 2009 Author Share #38 Posted November 17, 2009 Actually, for those who are really shooting the Lux and the Nocti wide open in the dark, you must have really good eyes to focus correctly with that kind of DoF. I would like to know what's your success rate like. OK, get ready guys ... here comes a flood of Impressionist images ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikkor AIS Posted November 17, 2009 Share #39 Posted November 17, 2009 Well, define dark:p. Im still getting used to the whole range finder double image lining up to one image thing;). So I must say Im not really fast yet, but so far my accuracy is just fine. The fact that I have used the Canon 50 1.0 and the Nikkor 58 1.2 Nocturnal gives me a heads up in using fast glass wide open. I must say that the M3 view finder is a pleasure to use in low light situations. I look forward to seeing the Noct/50 1.4 comparisons. Right now Im going out and shooting with my Noctilux. Gregory Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mauribix Posted November 17, 2009 Share #40 Posted November 17, 2009 ok guys, these are 4 shots, all wide open made with the Nocti @ f1.0 and the Lux ASPH @ f.14. Both are excellent, their fingerprints are quite different IMHO, and I slightly prefer the Nocti look in this case. Once again nothing artistic is involved here, just take a look at the general rendition and bokeh. First sample of each couple is always the Nocti. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/103689-noct-f14-lux-asph-f14/?do=findComment&comment=1120025'>More sharing options...
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