0.58 or 0.72

[DriesI]

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All,

 

I am lusting for an M, and had my mind set on a new (you only live once) black paint MP 0.58. This because I wear glasses, and I use 50 and 35 lenses.

 

But I am in doubt. As I have never looked through a 0.58 viewfinder, I would like to hear some experiences of glasses wearers.

Is the 50 mm frame too small? If you work with a 0.72, how do you experience the limitations while using a 35?

 

 

thanks in advance for your thoughts...

[wizard]

Welcome to this forum! An eternal question...., and hard to answer. I wear glasses and have a 0.72 finder, which is good for 50mm, but not so good for 35mm (needs a fair amount of eye rolling). Which is why I now use a correction diopter lens (they are available from Leica) and that's MUCH better.

 

If you must use your glasses, my guess is that the 0.58 finder will be better for you, but if at all possible, try it for yourself before actually buying the camera.

 

Andy

[Zurenborger]

I bought a .58 MP because my M6was a .58 and then I shot a lot of 50 and 35 and sometimes 28.

 

Now I have gotten into 90-ties big time, I have tried a magnifier but tend to lose them all the time, and 90mm is hard to focus and frame correctly on a .58

 

I guess a .72 is the ok finder all-round, I don't know about the glasses thing since I don't wear them

[larry]

Hi Dries,

 

Welcome to the forum. I also think you should look through both finders before making a decision. My M7 has the .58 finder, and I find that it's a perfect fit for me when shooting with a 35mm and glasses because I can see what's just outside the frame. With the 50mm, the framelines are at the edge of my vision, so this lens/finder combination also works well. When I shoot with my 90, I use a 1.25 magnifier to increase focusing accuracy.

 

Larry

[johnkuo]

I don't wear glasses, but I love my MP 0.58. The 35mm frameline is great because it doesn't have the 135mm at the same time to distract you. It's still accurate enough for 50/1.4 that I have. If you add 75 or 90 in the future, you can always get the 1.25x magnifier.

[robsteve]

The .72 is probably the most versatile finder. If 35mm and 50mm will be you main lenses, .72 should be fine.

 

It can also depend on the type of glasses you wear. I noticed that users complaining about wides wore larger glasses, rather than the smaller frames where the lenses are only 2cm or so high.

 

Robert

[jacksparrow]

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Hey,

I'm VERY short sighted (7.5-8.0) and just got my MP. It's 0.72, and I'm comfortable with it using the 50 mm lens. Don't have a 35, so I can't tell you about that other lens. However it might be quite a bit just a matter of taste, so ideally you want to try both in a store, but I understand you might not have that option (I didn't)

good luck. I'm sure you'll love it no matter what viewfinder you choose.

 

 

E

[droim]

Hello,

 

I have the .58 finder on my M7. I wear glasses and my primary lens is the 35mm/2. I occasionally use the 50mm/2. I much prefer the .58 and in fact my M7 is currently in the shop and I am using a .72. I miss the .58 very much. With glasses I find that I cannot see outside the frame lines on the 35 and have to roll my eye around a lot to see everything. I think my composition has improved since getting the .58. I also find that the .58 for me is fine with the 50. Good luck.

 

Rodney

[thomasw_]

My M5 has the .72 and it works very well with a 50mm lens. I am not a seriously near-sighted as you -- being -6.5 and -6.25 -- but I do need to wear spectacles to see.

[frc]

Don't were glasse but can inform you that if you only want to use 35 and 50 mm the detail shown in a 0.58 will be sufficient.

Seeing outside the frame is one of the conveniences of the RF system, a 0.58 viewfinder will alow you to do so with glases and give you the true benefits of the system.

When shooting tele's it may be a disatvantage but the magnifier 1.25 may help here.

Hope this info helps you .

 

 

Regards,

 

 

Fr.

[mjflory]

I am lusting for an M, and had my mind set on a new (you only live once) black paint MP 0.58. This because I wear glasses, and I use 50 and 35 lenses.

 

But I am in doubt. As I have never looked through a 0.58 viewfinder, I would like to hear some experiences of glasses wearers.

 

I think you must try the different finders yourself. I had often heard that glasses-wearers had trouble with the 35mm framelines with the .72 viewfinder and was pleasantly surprised to find them quite usable on an M6. But I have a smaller myopic (short-sighted) correction than some here (-2.75 in my right eye, I think, less in my left) and large, thin lenses on my glasses that sit fairly close to my eyes.

 

Best wishes and have fun shopping (and shooting)... Michael

[Guest Metroman]

I have 0.72 MP & 35mm and wear vari-focals. Not had any problems.

[rob_x2004]

The 35 and 50 are both main frame lines in the .58 arent they? So I cant imagine you could go too far wrong.

 

The 50line on the .72 is really really nice, much nicer than the secondary 75line which is fairly incomplete and sits inside and distractingly close to the 50line. The 35line on the .72 I find a bit wide in the viewfinder and not quite as seeable as the 50line.

 

So as a new user, and I figure that is the perspective you are looking for, I would be confident that both 35 and 50 would have to be pretty good on a .58, because of their relative size and their layout in the viewfinder.

 

When you are expert I should imagine it wouldnt matter what framelines you throw into the mix.

 

Regards

[DriesI]

Thank you all very much for your informative answers!

 

My prescription (-4.5) is too strong to use diopter lense, but my glasses are small and rather thin (special glass), so I think the 0.72x 35mm frame would be perfectly usable for me.

 

Nonetheless, I think I will opt for a 0.58x to have the specific advantage of the rangefinder system to be able to see around the framelines for the 35mm as well.

 

 

thanks again all of you!

 

 

regards,

Dries

[John Maio]

My M7 has the 0.58 finder which is great with the 35mm f/2 ASPH. When I mount the 90mm, I screw in the 1.25X viewfinder magnifier which does help me frame and focus more accurately using the longer lens.

[bill]

At the risk of putting the feline among the flying rats here, I have a .85 M7. I moved to it from a "classic" M6 .72. Most of my lens usage is 40 or 50mm, then 90, 75 then 35. I find the .85 to be the best magnification for the 50, and entirely usable for the 35. I have used it for 28 before now, without too much difficulty. I wear spectacles too!

 

Regards,

 

Bill

[reddawn]

All,

 

I am lusting for an M, and had my mind set on a new (you only live once) black paint MP 0.58. This because I wear glasses, and I use 50 and 35 lenses.

 

But I am in doubt. As I have never looked through a 0.58 viewfinder, I would like to hear some experiences of glasses wearers.

Is the 50 mm frame too small? If you work with a 0.72, how do you experience the limitations while using a 35?

 

 

thanks in advance for your thoughts...

 

hey where to get MP 0.58x in black paint? I have been looking for a source for one without going the ala carte option.

[larry]

At the risk of putting the feline among the flying rats here, I have a .85 M7. I moved to it from a "classic" M6 .72. Most of my lens usage is 40 or 50mm, then 90, 75 then 35. I find the .85 to be the best magnification for the 50, and entirely usable for the 35. I have used it for 28 before now, without too much difficulty. I wear spectacles too!

 

Regards,

 

Bill

 

 

Bill,

 

That's amazing, I can't see anything but telephoto lines with a .85 viewfinder! The human eye, and yours in particular, is a wondrous thing. Maybe it's blessing that we have only one choice for the M8 viewfinder.

 

Larry

[symmetron]

I own two 0.72 MPs and I wear glasses. I regret not getting one with 0.58 viewfinder because it's difficult viewing at less than 35mm framelines although 35mm is manageable in my opinion with the 0.72 viewfinder. For 28mm, it's impossible with glasses to see full-frame with 0.72 viewfinder and I use/need an exterior finder.

 

I tried the 0.58mm viewfinder and I thought the 35mm and 50mm were fine in my opinion. If I had a choice of one camera, I'd get the 0.58 as glasses wearer.

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[robsteve]

I own two 0.72 MPs and I wear glasses. I regret not getting one with 0.58 viewfinder because it's difficult viewing at less than 35mm framelines although 35mm is manageable in my opinion with the 0.72 viewfinder. For 28mm, it's impossible with glasses to see full-frame with 0.72 viewfinder and I use/need an exterior finder.

 

I tried the 0.58mm viewfinder and I thought the 35mm and 50mm were fine in my opinion. If I had a choice of one camera, I'd get the 0.58 as glasses wearer.

 

Joseph:

 

From looking at your user icon, the larger glasses like you wear make it harder to get the eye close enough to see the wider frame lines. I found when I went to smaller frames, I could see the 35mm frames even with a .85 finder in my M7.

 

Metroman has an icon showing his smaller glasses like I refer too. The smaller glasses sort of fit below the eyebrow and closer to the eye, letting you get your eye closer to the finder.