mn4367 Posted October 27, 2009 Share #1 Posted October 27, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Attached you'll find some shots taken with the M9 at high ISO in the entrance hall at Leica in Solms and developed with the LR 3 beta. The images show the difference in some image areas (100% crops) between the old and the new raw engine side by side. The left side is equivalent to LR 2.x, the right side shows the result of the new engine. The only "development" applied was clicking "auto" in the tone section of the development module. Further info about the shots is displayed in the screenshots, but please note that the lens indicated there isn't correct. Images were taken with the CV 15 and the ZM 35 and I forgot to choose an appropriate coding. Please excuse the bad exposure though it may indicate what is inside the raw files. I just used the default setting for noise reduction since I couldn't see a substantial improvement when applying more color noise reduction. My findings: The blueish stains which are visible on many M9 high ISO images are mostly gone. The noise in these areas appears to be finer and looks a lot better. The noise pattern is more even across the whole image. Detail seems to be fully preserved compared to LR 2.x (to me eyes at least). I tend to say that in some areas LR 3 shows more detail but the difference is really, really subtle. Moiré is better controlled, sometimes even removed. BW conversions also look nicer, closer to a "film like" look. The results of the new engine respond better to additional noise removal with Noise Ninja if you want/need to do it (I think). Additional notes: I haven't been able to get a comparable result from C1 although I have to admit that I'm not a C1 expert. The results regarding noise from LR 3 simply looked better to me. I tried LR 3 with some of my R-D1 files to see if they also make profit from the new engine but the difference is way less pronounced. I saw a minimal different noise pattern but it didn't seem to be "better". So it seems that the new noise reduction algorithm essentially does a better job with noise that is similar to that of the M9(M8?). My conclusion is that the final LR 3 version could be indeed a substantial improvement for M9 owners. Regards, Michael _______________________________________ Album collections on imageshack.us: Album 1 Album 2 Album 3 Album 4 Album 5 Single images. Please note that it may take some time to load because I used PNG images to avoid any compression artifacts introduced by JPG. Each file is a download of about 3 MB, that's why I didn't embed the images directly 1: Overview, Crop1, Crop2 2: Overview, Crop1, Crop2, Crop3 3: Overview, Crop1 4: Overview, Crop1, Crop2, Crop3 5: Overview, Crop1, Crop2, Crop3, Crop4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 27, 2009 Posted October 27, 2009 Hi mn4367, Take a look here Another opinion on M9 high ISO images with the current Lightroom 3 beta. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Mauribix Posted October 27, 2009 Share #2 Posted October 27, 2009 Sorry, I was asking you what kind of lens you used, 'cause I didn't read that you already wrote that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted October 27, 2009 Share #3 Posted October 27, 2009 LR 3 version could be indeed a substantial improvement for M9 owners.......ahhaa so it is no longer the camera it is the pp that makes the image................. nice to see someone agree:D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mn4367 Posted October 27, 2009 Author Share #4 Posted October 27, 2009 Maurizio, no, as I mentioned in the post I missed to set an appropriate coding in the menu and LR only reflects the menu setting (sorry). I used a CV 15 and a ZM 35 for the series. The image you refer to was shot with the CV 15. Edit: You got it ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mn4367 Posted October 27, 2009 Author Share #5 Posted October 27, 2009 .......ahhaa so it is no longer the camera it is the pp that makes the image................. nice to see someone agree:D To some extent, yes . Seriously, every "raw development" is an interpretation of the Bayer pattern delivered by the sensor/camera. And as it seems, the mathematics behind still leave room for improvement. Nice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted October 27, 2009 Share #6 Posted October 27, 2009 .......ahhaa so it is no longer the camera it is the pp that makes the image.... Not either/or. Who wins the race, the horse or the jockey? (Hint: if it was just one or the other, the top jockeys and top horses wouldn't be so high-priced) ---------- Hmm- I wonder if the new engine will show up in a future version of Adobe Camera Raw? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbuckley Posted October 27, 2009 Share #7 Posted October 27, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) This is very helpful. Thank you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mn4367 Posted October 27, 2009 Author Share #8 Posted October 27, 2009 This is very helpful. Thank you. Well, yes and no. "Yes" is hopefully obvious and "no" because it reduces my hesitation to buy this beast which would hurt my wallet so much... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mn4367 Posted October 27, 2009 Author Share #9 Posted October 27, 2009 Not either/or. Who wins the race, the horse or the jockey? (Hint: if it was just one or the other, the top jockeys and top horses wouldn't be so high-priced) ---------- Hmm- I wonder if the new engine will show up in a future version of Adobe Camera Raw? Up to now the engines in ACR and Lightroom always have been the same so I'm quite sure that you'll see the same results in ACR when LR 3 is available. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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