hoppyman Posted October 23, 2009 Share #21 Posted October 23, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) One possible issue to consider if this release is close (for people that have taken delivery of their M9 and have the link to download LR). Usually you can update your installed version for free when it is a 'point' upgrade. For example if you have LR2.4 you can update it to LR2.5 for free. But a move from LR to LR2 (or LR3) requires paying for a new licence. So if you don't have LR already and Leica has given you a licence, you MAY want to consider waiting for the finished release of LR3 before using your licence code???? Obviously this doesn't affect the beta or people that have already paid for a licence. It is possible for installing/uninstalling betas to cause problems with your existing install though. It is a free beta and shouldn't be a cause for complaint but it is something to keep in mind. Before I got LR2 as well, I had to reinstall the complete CS suite twice and get reactivated to fix a problem caused by the uninstall of an earlier beta. I should emphasise that I have NOT seen a problem (I haven't tried the LR3 beta anyway) Just making mention of a POSSIBLE complication to be aware of Better to run the beta on a separate machine for safety I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 23, 2009 Posted October 23, 2009 Hi hoppyman, Take a look here Lightroom 3 beta. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Mauribix Posted October 23, 2009 Share #22 Posted October 23, 2009 I agree. I took a quick look at this last night and didn't note any rendering difference, but the 2500 iso chroma noise reduction was impressive on some of the M9 DNGs floating around. M9 owners who use the high isos should check this out. Later, Clyde Clyde, I'll try and post some M9 shots later.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravastar Posted October 24, 2009 Share #23 Posted October 24, 2009 I've only tried the Beta out for a very short time, but as others say the reduction of color blotches in high ISO shots is impressive. Also it's able to remove the bluish tinge in shadows that you get (due to blue channel noise) when photographing with a high ISO in dim tungsten light.... and it does this without reducing the saturation of colors. Luminance noise appears to be more uniform. The beta had no trouble finding and using the M9 profiles generated by the Colorchecker Passport application. Bob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrogers Posted October 24, 2009 Share #24 Posted October 24, 2009 Clyde, I'll try and post some M9 shots later.... I'll look forward to seeing them! Clyde Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted October 25, 2009 Share #25 Posted October 25, 2009 It seem to import very fast, but the previews take some time. It picks up the M9 profile and can use that if you have it (the generic profile one can download). There seem to much more difference between the Adobe and the M9 profile in Lightroom 3 than in 2.4. Hi There Thorsten (or anyone else) Perhaps you can help me - I'm not sure how to get (or use) the M9 profile for LR3 beta. I've been using Aperture for a long time, but I'm considering changing. I guess it's under 'Camera Calibration' in the Develop module - mine gives two options of profile: Embedded Adobe Standard My A900 files on the other hand show: ACR 4.6 Adobe Standard. Whereas GF1 files show: Adobe Standard Maybe, of course, I'm looking in quite the wrong place anyway! I'd be really grateful for any pointers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted October 25, 2009 Share #26 Posted October 25, 2009 I guess it's under 'Camera Calibration' in the Develop module - mine gives two options of profile:Embedded Adobe Standard Yes, that's where it is, but it'll only appear if you're developing an M9 image. The major problem I'm having is with speed. I have a 24" iMac with 4 gig of memory and I use 2 displays with a full sized image on the main iMac screen. If I change a setting in the develop module it takes an age for the changes to appear on the full sized image. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biglouis Posted October 25, 2009 Share #27 Posted October 25, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Bit of a dumb question this but I am still on LR 1.5. I've resisted getting 2 and given Adobe's rapaciousness I'm assuming I might as well wait now for 3 so I don't pay for the 2 upgrade and then in a short space of time pay for the 3 upgrade? LouisB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted October 25, 2009 Share #28 Posted October 25, 2009 HI There Yes, that's where it is, but it'll only appear if you're developing an M9 image. What'll only appear? With an M9 image it gives two options: Embedded Adobe Standard do you know what these mean? ('cos I don't ) The major problem I'm having is with speed. I have a 24" iMac with 4 gig of memory and I use 2 displays with a full sized image on the main iMac screen. If I change a setting in the develop module it takes an age for the changes to appear on the full sized image. I'm using an MPP 17" with an external display and 4gb, and it doesn't seem too bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted October 25, 2009 Share #29 Posted October 25, 2009 What'll only appear? The option to use the M9 profile in the drop down box. I.e. if you were expecting to see it available when processing an M8 images you'll be disappointed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted October 25, 2009 Share #30 Posted October 25, 2009 The option to use the M9 profile in the drop down box. I.e. if you were expecting to see it available when processing an M8 images you'll be disappointed. Hi Steve Thanks, but I WAS processing an M9 image . . . and I don't understand what either 'embedded' or 'Adobe Standard' actually mean . . . and should it say 'M9'? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted October 25, 2009 Share #31 Posted October 25, 2009 Jono, I only have a handful of M9 images but M9 appears as one of the options in the drop down list - this is on a Mac. Screenshot attached... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/101064-lightroom-3-beta/?do=findComment&comment=1088858'>More sharing options...
hoppyman Posted October 25, 2009 Share #32 Posted October 25, 2009 The choices that you see 'embedded ' or Adobe standard mean that you have the profile available. It has been copied to the default location for your OS. If you copied the excellent profile from Sandy to the same location you would have that choice too and so on for any custom ones that you or others make. Adobe standard in this case maens Adobe standard profile FOR THE M9. If you were opening a DNG from an M8, Adobe Standard means Adobe standard FOR the M8. Different cameras have different numbers of profiles and LR (or ACR) only ever shows you the ones for the type of file (camera type) you are working with. The more popular the camera the more likely that there will be more than one option. For example Canon models might have multiple options. The M8 offers just a couple (also including Camera standard which means similar to the camera's default jpg processing output. If you have opened a particular file with an earlier profile those choices are available too when next you open it (backwards compatibility). The M9 so far just that one in the Beta. Very likely there will be more than that once LR3 is officially released. I hope they should make it into the earlier versions too. No reason why not, they are just not finished/ tested as yet. For people with earlier versions point improvements are free upgrades, number improvements are paid upgrades. If you have LR (1) you have to pay something to upgrade to LR2 and so on. Generally support for a particular Raw file is not retrospective (i.e. only works on versions from the one when its introduced onwards). In this instance that may not be so. Not determined as yet AFAIK. But if the licence from Leica gives you 2.4/5 currently, then the profiles should be released for those versions. Since we are talking Adobe DNGs the situation is MUCH better than if this was a new propietary Raw format from another manufacturer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted October 25, 2009 Share #33 Posted October 25, 2009 The choices that you see 'embedded ' or Adobe standard mean that you have the profile available. It has been copied to the default location for your OS. If you copied the excellent profile from Sandy to the same location you would have that choice too and so on for any custom ones that you or others make. Adobe standard in this case maens Adobe standard profile FOR THE M9. If you were opening a DNG from an M8, Adobe Standard means Adobe standard FOR the M8. Different cameras have different numbers of profiles and LR (or ACR) only ever shows you the ones for the type of file (camera type) you are working with. The more popular the camera the more likely that there will be more than one option. For example Canon models might have multiple options. The M8 offers just a couple (also including Camera standard which means similar to the camera's default jpg processing output. If you have opened a particular file with an earlier profile those choices are available too when next you open it (backwards compatibility). The M9 so far just that one in the Beta. Very likely there will be more than that once LR3 is officially released. I hope they should make it into the earlier versions too. No reason why not, they are just not finished/ tested as yet. For people with earlier versions point improvements are free upgrades, number improvements are paid upgrades. If you have LR (1) you have to pay something to upgrade to LR2 and so on. Generally support for a particular Raw file is not retrospective (i.e. only works on versions from the one when its introduced onwards). In this instance that may not be so. Not determined as yet AFAIK. But if the licence from Leica gives you 2.4/5 currently, then the profiles should be released for those versions. Since we are talking Adobe DNGs the situation is MUCH better than if this was a new propietary Raw format from another manufacturer. Steve Geoff Thank you very much. I guess the Leica option on Steve's dropdown must be Sandy's profile (I must try that too). Getting there . . . Learning . . I really don't want to change though (it's soooo much work) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppyman Posted October 25, 2009 Share #34 Posted October 25, 2009 Jono yes the other one in that screen capture is the one from Sandy. As far as a lot to learn we all know that feeling! I don't know Aperture at all and never got used to the C1 setup as I'm familiar with ACR and am learning LR. But this profile business opens up a lot of possibilities. The BIG gain with LR is the digital asset management. Just being able to find stuff in the gazillions of files you build up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted October 25, 2009 Share #35 Posted October 25, 2009 Jono yes the other one in that screen capture is the one from Sandy. As far as a lot to learn we all know that feeling! I don't know Aperture at all and never got used to the C1 setup as I'm familiar with ACR and am learning LR. But this profile business opens up a lot of possibilities. The BIG gain with LR is the digital asset management. Just being able to find stuff in the gazillions of files you build up. Hi Geoff Oh - you've made me feel better! I spent a lot of time with Lightroom in version 1, comparing it with Aperture. I decided to go with aperture (IMHO better DAM and better conversions). It would still be the right decision if Apple actually seemed interested in Aperture (camera support is still lacking for many new cameras - no serious word of a new version). At least I have completely mastered a DAM workflow, and it works just as well with Lightroom as with Aperture, which is something at least! My problem is more with things like the camera profiles, and the way the different tools work (the tools are roughly the same). It seems like Adobe have won the argument simply by being assiduous with updates, supporting new cameras and generally seeming enthusiastic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mauribix Posted October 26, 2009 Share #36 Posted October 26, 2009 I'll look forward to seeing them! Clyde Here we are: First is a 100%crop of a 2000ISO M9 image processed with NR of LR2.5 (no sharpening at all) Second is the same crop processed with LR 3 Beta (no sharpening at all again). Draw you conclusions... P.S. I could have reached anyway a better result with LR2.5 using the luminance control as well, but since it's not enabled in LR3, I decided to replicate almost the same scenario. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/101064-lightroom-3-beta/?do=findComment&comment=1091117'>More sharing options...
spylaw4 Posted October 27, 2009 Share #37 Posted October 27, 2009 Bit of a dumb question this but I am still on LR 1.5. I've resisted getting 2 and given Adobe's rapaciousness I'm assuming I might as well wait now for 3 so I don't pay for the 2 upgrade and then in a short space of time pay for the 3 upgrade? LouisB You've missed out on quite a lot Louis by not upgrading. However, I suppose you might as well now wait for 3, but do download the beta and try it out - it is IMHO a big leap forward from L2, and L1 is - well antiquated by comparison.. Bearing in mind that Adobe indicate that the L3 beta trial library might not be suitable for the final product, I would run L1 and L3 in parallel and not go overboard on L3 until the final version comes out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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