piero Posted October 19, 2009 Share #21 Â Posted October 19, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) very interesting and useful post, Chris. Somehow ti confirms my impressions on the metering system of the M9, but also on the sensor being able to record what is delivered by lens. My example posted a few days ago, have a very theatrical light mood, extreme contrast, nightmare color balance. And, as I said already, the M9 shows a significant leap forward in handling these situation 'naturally', compared to the beautiful tool the MKlll is and excellent lenses I use with it, all L series. But there is no comparison possible when it comes to even sharpness throughout the frame, and sense of space, plus color balance. I don't spit in the dish where I have just eaten, as we say in Italian. Just to clarify... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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chris_tribble Posted October 19, 2009 Author Share #22 Â Posted October 19, 2009 But there is no comparison possible when it comes to even sharpness throughout the frame, and sense of space, plus color balance. Piero - do you mean here that the M9 delivers better results than the 1Ds III? This would be my experience with certain lenses and in certain conditions (on the basis of the 5D2 which sensor-wise I understand to be very similar to the 1DsIII). Â Clearly, one camera's not a complete replacement for the other. Although I've never used the Canon EF 24mm L lens (the nearest to the Leica 28 cron asph) in their range, my current feeling is that for wide angle work in difficult light, the M9 matched with good glass is going to take a lot of beating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Concorde-SST Posted October 19, 2009 Share #23  Posted October 19, 2009 Dear Chris, This are great shots. The third image is my favorite. Well done.   I absolutely agree. Well done, great job! I also liked the third picture - the actor greatly reminds me of Klaus Kinski.  Keep it up!  best,  Andreas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
piero Posted October 19, 2009 Share #24 Â Posted October 19, 2009 Chris: the images on my website are small, but if one looks at the full resolution enlargements he or she can easily see the difference in terms of color balance, sharpness throughout the frame and sense of space, compared to a file made with the MKlll and premium wide angles L series. IMHO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted October 20, 2009 Author Share #25 Â Posted October 20, 2009 Piero - crystal clear! Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BigSplash Posted October 20, 2009 Share #26 Â Posted October 20, 2009 Thanks Chris ...you have taken some great images. I found the information that you have provided both encouraging for people like me to see what talented people can achieve and helpful with respect to technique. Much appreciated Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted October 22, 2009 Author Share #27  Posted October 22, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Looks like some useful lessons were learned. A couple of shots from a sound check + post concert shoot in Manchester for ECM and the Tord Gustavsen Ensemble. These were manually white balanced by taking a quick shot with a WhiBal neutral card in frame. Saved a lot of time in post... Also worth commenting on - I was shooting the M9 alongside 5D2, both at 800 ISO - I was very happy with the results from the M9 - I have more than enough consistency across the shoot. For event / concert work the M9 with the 28 cron asph on is really delivering...  NB - I'm fully aware that there are some seriously weird things going on with the hands in the third shot - also that there's a lot of movementhere - it's just a shot that the client (and I) liked! Also - note that these images are being delivered to the client as black and whites - so they won't be getting the benefits of the colour rendering - sharing here for interest... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/100524-m9-in-theatre-photography/?do=findComment&comment=1084906'>More sharing options...
piero Posted October 22, 2009 Share #28 Â Posted October 22, 2009 nice dark tones with depth. considering the 800ISO... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted October 22, 2009 Author Share #29  Posted October 22, 2009 Piero - 800 is REALLY useful for a lot of the things I do. Compares very will with the 5D2... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/100524-m9-in-theatre-photography/?do=findComment&comment=1085146'>More sharing options...
piero Posted October 22, 2009 Share #30 Â Posted October 22, 2009 really inetersting. did you "defringe" at all in Lr? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest EarlBurrellPhoto Posted October 22, 2009 Share #31 Â Posted October 22, 2009 Piero - 800 is REALLY useful for a lot of the things I do. Compares very will with the 5D2... Â Odd. In terms of noise, the M9 lent me performed well below a 5D1, let alone 5D2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted October 22, 2009 Share #32 Â Posted October 22, 2009 At what ISO? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coup de foudre Posted October 22, 2009 Share #33 Â Posted October 22, 2009 Piero - 800 is REALLY useful for a lot of the things I do. Compares very will with the 5D2... as i don't have a 5D2 (only a classic M8), i am real impressed with those crops from the M9... sigh... i may have to stop looking at these. Â but thank you for torturing me anyways Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted October 22, 2009 Author Share #34  Posted October 22, 2009 really inetersting.did you "defringe" at all in Lr? Piero - with the 28 no need at all - in fact my experience with the 28 / 50 and 90 asphs is very positive. Evidence below : Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/100524-m9-in-theatre-photography/?do=findComment&comment=1085442'>More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted October 22, 2009 Author Share #35  Posted October 22, 2009 Odd. In terms of noise, the M9 lent me performed well below a 5D1, let alone 5D2.  Earl - go to 2500 and the M9's not going to beat the 5D. 800? I can't usefully distinguish between them. Oh yeah - the Canon L 85 1.2 gives more CA than the Leica glass - but this is a series 1 lens and I think they've improved this on the latest model... And I've just noticed that the black nylon jacket that Tore Brunborg's wearing looks more purple in the Canon shot - gosh, could this be a magenta cast problem  re colour - again, I know that these aren't 100% consistent across the two cameras - but I'm giving the client black and whites - and life is short! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/100524-m9-in-theatre-photography/?do=findComment&comment=1085467'>More sharing options...
piero Posted October 22, 2009 Share #36 Â Posted October 22, 2009 great micro-lens work they have done... on the M9. I spoke yesterday with Jean-Jacques Karatchian the product manager S2... Lovely person. I shoot a few shots with the S2 and the 180. Also with the 70. On my Flickr account one detail on the album S2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted October 22, 2009 Share #37  Posted October 22, 2009 great micro-lens work they have done... on the M9.I spoke yesterday with Jean-Jacques Karatchian the product manager S2... Lovely person. I shoot a few shots with the S2 and the 180. Also with the 70. On my Flickr account one detail on the album S2.  Maike Harberts is the Leica S2 product manager:  Leica S2 and S system: We'd like one - Crave at CNET UK  Jean-Jacques Karatchian appears to be regional sales manager for Kodak:  Jean-Jacques Karatchian - LinkedIn  Unless he got hired to take over Ms. Harberts job, which sounds unlikely, given their different backgrounds. Perhaps he is the sales manager for the S2 now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mzungu Posted October 22, 2009 Share #38 Â Posted October 22, 2009 Absolutely beautiful. Â Mzungu Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
piero Posted October 23, 2009 Share #39  Posted October 23, 2009 Maike Harberts is the Leica S2 product manager: Leica S2 and S system: We'd like one - Crave at CNET UK  Jean-Jacques Karatchian appears to be regional sales manager for Kodak:  Jean-Jacques Karatchian - LinkedIn  Unless he got hired to take over Ms. Harberts job, which sounds unlikely, given their different backgrounds. Perhaps he is the sales manager for the S2 now?  Well, he was introduced to me by the Italian distributor as "product manager of S2", I assumed from Leica, also given the fact that his contacts are Leica.com ending. Or maybe I mismatch sales with product? I doubt it but it could be... Besides, he is a lovely person, a pleasure to converse with. Like a breeze of wind sweeping away the fog and allowing to understand clearly what and how 'it has been done'. Manners do matter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted October 23, 2009 Share #40  Posted October 23, 2009 Thanks for posting these Chris! It's just making me want my m9 quicker than I can get it  Something worth noting here from my perspective: I'm amazed at how your 28 Cron is holding up. For those of you not used to using Canon's 85 1.2L it is one of the sharpest lenses ever made. Usually, comparing wide angle lenses with it is a matter of futility... Canon's own look like mush and the 16-35 v2 is perhaps the worst zoom I've ever used (and I didn't use it for long, and my sample might have been not the best)--but nothing under 135mm in the Canon line-up even comes close to that 85 1.2L. If it weren't for it's relatively slow AF (never bothered me, but others don't like it) and fringing on Canon sensors (really weird, but it's intolerable with some scenes) it's a near-flawless piece of glass.  In fact, you could argue that right now the 5d2 with the 85 1.2L represents the peak IQ a Canon system is capable of delivering under 200mm. So I'm happy to see the M9--even with a wide angle lens--hold up very, very well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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