andym911 Posted August 26, 2008 Share #1 Posted August 26, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) Sometimes I want that 'classic feel' but don't want to carry a light meter with me. Every time I pick up the CL I just appreciate it's functionality, so I decided to add an Elmar to it from my IIf for those times when I 'hear the voices'. Makes a real nice carry around shooter:) Andy Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/61136-feeling-in-a-classic-mood/?do=findComment&comment=636911'>More sharing options...
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bill Posted August 26, 2008 Share #2 Posted August 26, 2008 Dammit man! Don't you know better than to post "porn" like that?! Seriously, that looks like a neat setup, and I sympathise entirely with your motivation. My answer to the siren call is just to take my IID and leave the meter at home and rely on Sunny-16 (or Sunny-12, as it is most of the time in the UK). One question, and a suggestion - I'd be worried about collapsing the 5cm on the CL and fouling that little swingy metering arm - how do you avoid problems? The suggestion would be to get a 3.5cm f3.5 and fit that instead - classic looks and performance and no danger of damage! Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym911 Posted August 26, 2008 Author Share #3 Posted August 26, 2008 Bill, LOL I just don't collapse it but you're right there is always a risk.......so funnily enough I ordered a 35/3,5 earlier today:eek: The mounted 50mm Elmar was recently cleaned and lubricated, its one of the smoothest focussing lenses I have, use it on all my cameras a lot. I hear that the 35mm is not quite in the same league but for what I shoot lens resolution or sharpness (within reason ) never makes or breaks one of my images;) sorry to 'disturb' your day:D andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted August 26, 2008 Share #4 Posted August 26, 2008 Aha. Great minds! I agree with you about the 5cm - I have two, and they are just the perfect balance between handling, compactness and performance where absolute lpm-peeping is not the objective (ie 98% of real-world situations). I have the 3.5cm, and performance is again adequate for most of what I do. It is so mind-bogglingly compact (I think it is the smallest 35mm ever produced by Leica, but I am happy to be corrected) that I am prepared to forgive it it's shortcomings Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym911 Posted August 26, 2008 Author Share #5 Posted August 26, 2008 Bill am completely with you on this one. I am very curious on how the 35mm handles, I see it is really small and flat. Before my first 50mm I was concerned about the setting of the aperture being fiddly, but once you get used to it it is fine. I hope I will enjoy the 35mm as much. What is funny is that most of my favorite images are taken with old lenses, also when used on the M8 they seem to take some of the clinical digital look away (maybe me just imagining it but I don't think so). Anyway, I will be sure to post a couple of shots when it arrives and I'll let you know how I like it, cheers andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted August 26, 2008 Share #6 Posted August 26, 2008 I think you'll find it handles just fine - it is an ideal "snapshot" lens. I got my first with my IIIc, and used it regularly until I bought my first 5cm off that well-known Leica pusher, James Earley I then bought a mint 35mm 3.5 Summaron and sold the Elmar on. THEN I realised how much I missed it, and picked up another from MW Classic. My second is a far better performer than my first, and is considerably cleaner. I'll be very interested to see how you get on with it. One of the huge advantages is that it truly fits in a pocket. I have picked up a perfectly circular leather zip case for it - go to a branch of Heals and buy a travel alarm clock for £26 and they give you the case for free - and I can carry it with me anywhere. I have mated it with a Russian brightline multifinder that also does the job really nicely without the bulk and fiddle of a VIDOM. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnkare Posted August 26, 2008 Share #7 Posted August 26, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) Could one option, at least theoretically, be to collapse the lens when the shutter is not cocked? I'm not sure about the operation, but if it works like M5, it might be possible to have the lens collapsed if the shutter is not cocked. So just remember to extend it before you cock the shutter and collapse it only when the shutter is already fired. Haven't tried it on my M5, though. And I don't know if the problem is only the extended meter arm or some other internal solutions also. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted August 26, 2008 Share #8 Posted August 26, 2008 Could one option, at least theoretically, be to collapse the lens when the shutter is not cocked? I'm not sure about the operation, but if it works like M5, it might be possible to have the lens collapsed if the shutter is not cocked. So just remember to extend it before you cock the shutter and collapse it only when the shutter is already fired. Haven't tried it on my M5, though. And I don't know if the problem is only the extended meter arm or some other internal solutions also. I fear that I am such a fumblefingered, cottonheaded ninnymuggins that it would only be a matter of time before physical memory overcame intellect and there would be a metallic graunching sound... Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnkare Posted August 26, 2008 Share #9 Posted August 26, 2008 I fear that I am such a fumblefingered, cottonheaded ninnymuggins that it would only be a matter of time before physical memory overcame intellect and there would be a metallic graunching sound... I would lie if I claimed myself good enough in that respect... Hence, haven't tried . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym911 Posted August 29, 2008 Author Share #10 Posted August 29, 2008 I would lie if I claimed myself good enough in that respect... Hence, haven't tried . I think I belong in the same camp...I'll give that suggestion a swerve, if you don't mind;) my tiny 35mm arrived yesterday so hope to post some shots pretty soon.....man is it small, I love it already even though it is clearly prone to flare (I got an oldie from 1938), should be fun. andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted August 29, 2008 Share #11 Posted August 29, 2008 It will flare, but you will be surprised how far you can push it. I had a hood for mine for a bit, but that sort of defeated the object of compactness and wasn't. to my surprise, that necessary. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym911 Posted August 31, 2008 Author Share #12 Posted August 31, 2008 Bill here my first M8 shot...not bad, am developing some film today that was shot on the CL, so will post a couple later. The size is just great! cheers andy Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/61136-feeling-in-a-classic-mood/?do=findComment&comment=640806'>More sharing options...
andym911 Posted August 31, 2008 Author Share #13 Posted August 31, 2008 and a bit of color..saturated in LR. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/61136-feeling-in-a-classic-mood/?do=findComment&comment=640807'>More sharing options...
andym911 Posted August 31, 2008 Author Share #14 Posted August 31, 2008 and here a snap from the CL with the 'old lady'. TriX developed in HC 110, added a bit to the dev time to give a bit more contrast. Cheers Andy Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/61136-feeling-in-a-classic-mood/?do=findComment&comment=640850'>More sharing options...
andym911 Posted August 31, 2008 Author Share #15 Posted August 31, 2008 and one more paying a bit more attention to the scanning andy Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/61136-feeling-in-a-classic-mood/?do=findComment&comment=641006'>More sharing options...
Don'tknowmuch Posted August 31, 2008 Share #16 Posted August 31, 2008 Hello Andy, Bill, maybe others. I'm kind of eavesdropping on this one. The images shown here underline to me why I’m hunting down what I want by getting back to film. The M8 images are clean and clear and good and all, but the one from the CL with Tri X is much more to my liking and where I want to go. I had been thinking of raising the merit of the older uncoated lenses as a new thread, but your talk does go some way towards illuminating my own goal (pun intended). I have been pondering on the fact that on the front of my model 1 (or should that be capital i as in I?), there is, I think, an uncoated Elmar f3.5 50mm lens. The emphasis in this context is on the uncoated aspect of it and I would hate to lose the tone-balance that I have already noted on the few films I have seen via my Elmar and which I see again on the TriX example in this thread, and which I would really be disappointed at losing if I bought a coated lens. I like the lighter tones and the lift this gives, particularly on texture of rough surfaces. My 50mm Elmar is fixed, so if I want to go for a 35mm lens can I do this on an M2 and still retain the uncoated option? Or – and this is again an example of my ignorance – can I expect the same kind of tonal relationships with a coated lens? Are Summaron’s coated? Are any M-fit lenses uncoated? Of course, assuming a CLA will sort out my 1 or I, and if I "put up" with the shortcomings of poor viewfinder, no rangefinding and awkward loading - and said goodbye to a wider angle lens... I could keep going with what I've got! I guess my point is that I would like to move on to an M2 (and thanks again for all help with my first post) but don't want to lose the look of the images I've already spotted emerging from the camera I've got. That's it in a nutshell. Lots of questions, so I apologise for this and hope this is seen as part of the same thread rather than me sort of hi-jacking this one. That wasn’t my intention it just kind of fitted what I was thinking about and so I went for it. There are probably associated questions that I ought to be asking but don’t know what they are yet. Feel free to offer any out of the box advice! Thanks. Jim. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym911 Posted August 31, 2008 Author Share #17 Posted August 31, 2008 Jim hi, I'll try and give you my thoughts in a nutshell. Having owned several new design lenses I find that they are too sharp and contrasty for my taste. I prefer the look of the COATED Elmar 3,5/50 (thread mount) and the COATED 35 Summaron (thread mount) Occasionally even the Summaron is too sharp for me, hence the recent aquisition of this particular 3,5/35 UNCOATED Elmar (Thread mount) Now this particular Elmar is indeed lower contrast and prone to flare (my example) but does the job very well in my opinion. For these three lenses I have a 35mm and 50mm screw to M adapter so I can use them either on my Leica IIF or my CL/M8. I do have an M6 but don't use it much, I prefer the size of the CL. Regarding your questions on M2 I hope someone else can chip in as I do not own that camera....anyway thanks for looking and hope there is some sense in what I am saying... cheers andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bernd Banken Posted August 31, 2008 Share #18 Posted August 31, 2008 Stunning - what a drawing!! Regards Bernd Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don'tknowmuch Posted September 1, 2008 Share #19 Posted September 1, 2008 Thanks Andy. It's all begining to make sense. Slowly... Incidentally - what did you rate the tri x at, and how long HC110? I've been playing around with these two. jim. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym911 Posted September 1, 2008 Author Share #20 Posted September 1, 2008 Jim I rate the tri x at either 400 or a bit less, say 320. I develop HC110 at 1:31, giving me 320ml of solution for 3:45' at 20c.I agitate every 30 secs for 5 secs. With this lens (3,5/35) I give it a bit more, about 15-30 secs to give it a bit more contrast. Hope this is helpful- andy BTW it took me years to settle on this combination and to get it right but now it is as predictable as the sun coming up Also Neopan 400 from Fuji gives nice results developed in HC 110 if you want to try something else. Dont hesitate to ask more if needed andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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