charlie9089

I bought an M11 the day it came out, swapped it for an M10-R after a month, amazed these issues still continue but this vindicates my decision. It's a shame because in many ways the M11 is a nice camera.

Would +1 suggest you considering the M10-R - key advantage is much better control/recovery of highlights (plus more megapixels as a secondary advantage). Re M240 and M10-P - easy choice between these two - M10-P. The M240 is showing its age now and only makes sense if a lot cheaper. But if the budget will stretch a little to the M10-R this has all the advantages of the M10-P and then some..

I have both the 50mm M APO and the Lux. I prefer the Lux because it has the best bokeh of any lens I've owned. The % of keepers with the Lux is higher as I like to shoot wide open or close to wide open. However, the APO has outstanding resolution and the colors seem to be more accurate and saturated than the Lux. Although significant, for me, these advantages don't compensate for the APO's bokeh being OK/good rather than excellent. Although I prefer my Lux, I'm hanging onto the APO as I've found with higher megapixel cameras such as the M10-R and M11 I've been getting chromatic aberration on some older Leica lenses and I've had zero CA using the 50mm APO. So the APO is "future-proofed" as the megapixel count inevitably goes higher. It's also a very compact lens so pairs well with my M6 0.85 although the extreme resolution is overkill for film. The Lux is also an APO by the way, but an old design so not as well-corrected. They're both excellent lenses, among the best ever by any manufacturer. No focusing issues with either.

I wholeheartedly agree with previous comments that it's a waste of time reading opinions about a camera from people who've never used it. I ordered an M11 the day it was launched, trading in my M10-P. I was really excited about using the M11 but the firmware was really buggy. I'm sure this is/will be sorted out but during this time I would be missing shots and having a frustrating time with the camera. So I sold my M11 and got an M10-R which as the last of the M10 series has reliable firmware. I don't hold with IBIS being necessary or even desirable for the M which is a relatively small full frame camera (compared to my Canon R5) I can carry around everywhere. If I need IBIS and other tech features I have my R5 which with the lens included is around three times the size! I couldn't see much of a difference in dynamic range comparing the M11 to the M10-R but both these cameras handle highlights way better than my M10-P or M240 did. When I handed my M11 back to the store, I asked if anyone else had done the same and I was the only one. So I guess most people prefer the M11 but for me the M10-R is the ultimate digital Leica. The things I miss most about the M11 are the USB charging and great battery life but I can live without them.

https://store.leica-camera.com/uk/en/leica-m11-black Link to download M11 Instruction Manual

Summer fireworks, M10-P 35mm Lux ASPH , F1.4/1 sec/ISO 200

Istanbul. M10-P 50mm Summilux (cropped)

I have an M10-P and love it! I use it to take photos of family and friends. It is small and the lenses are the best, wonderful bokeh and clarity, the system is so light to carry even if you are taking 3 lenses with you as well as a body. I also take photos for charity and occasionally money - every time I use my Leica for these shoots, I regret it. I also have a Canon 5d Mk4 - so much more versatile as a camera system although the lenses are not as good and the lenses and camera are HUGE. Fast autofocus, superb flash integration with Profoto and Canon's own flash, good ergonomics, intuitive menus and design. The Canon will handle anything - the Leica is more specialised. For example, I always shoot weddings and parties with the Canon because of the zoom lenses and accurate flash integration. Until a couple of years ago, Leica TTL was almost unusable, now after a firmware upgrade it is so-so. I would compare the Canon to a Ford Galaxy people carrier - zero style but will handle anything. I have no emotion about my Canon which I regard in the same way as my refrigerator or washing machine but I love my three Leica's (M10-P, M6 and M3) and will probably never sell the film bodies. They are technically worse but so satisfying to use and the "hit rate" of creating great images is higher. If you nail a shot with the M3 with no exposure meter, no autofocus, you know you did it, nobody else. Some of my favourite shots are with the M3 which has a fabulous 50mm Summicron Dual Range dating from 1960, still sharper than most Nikon and Canon lenses today and way better in all respects than the 50mm F1.4 on my Nikon F3 film camera.

I have an M10-P and an RRS L-grip - works really well. Although you only really "need" it for a heavier lens like the 90mm Summicron I use it with smaller lenses as well because I can't be bothered to change the base when I change lenses. I prefer the RRS grip to the Leica alternative although from a design point of view the RRS does not match the Leica ( I don't care, functionally it works well). I personally like using a grip for most cameras as it just makes the camera easier to handle, I have a big battery grip for my Canon 5D mk4 which I never take off.

St Peters Rome M10-P + 35mm f1.4 ASPH

In response to Herr Barnack, I agree that the battery life is a major disadvantage. With heavy EVF use, the battery on the M10-P is good for only around 100 shots although you will get many more if you use the OVF only. In contrast, M240 battery life is great. I never bothered buying a second battery for my M240. With respect to max ISO, it's a meaningless number for marketing, not just for Leica but Canon and others as well. The important ISO is when in your subjective viewpoint quality becomes unacceptable. I have 10 x 15 inch prints printed by a fine art printer, hung on my wall at home which were shot at 3200 on the M240. Obviously the quality is not as good as 200 but most people say what nice photos they are (unprompted feedback, honest!). So 3200 on the M240 is definitely OK but the upper limit in my experience. Leica for a relatively small (compared to Sony, Canon etc) company are launching a lot of new products which means that they are stretched very thin. Although I love my M10-P, I think it could be improved and hope that Leica will focus more on the M series in future. The silver lining to this cloud is that a used M240 is less than half the price of a new M10 but so much more than half the camera in terms of functionality. If anyone is interested, I actually have my M240 up for sale here.

Hi, I am an M240 owner and have just bought an M10-P - thought it could be interesting to share my first impressions for anyone contemplating a similar move. Shutter - a lot quieter, not much different in volume from an M3, but a very different sound. In many situations the shutter will be inaudible to the subject. The shutter is not silent however. If you need silent get a Sony. Quieter shutter is a big plus in my view, discreet for portraiture and melds well with the discreet nature of the camera. Viewfinder - very susceptible to greasy fingers, need to keep clean to get a sharp view. Still prefer the viewfinder of the M3 to the modern digitals, glass/focus patch is clearer and more contrasty Size - much easier to hold, you don't need a grip unless you have a large lens (unlike M240 where grip significantly improved handling for any lens) Looks - killer in Black, really suits the logo-less style - am swapping my mint Silver Summilux 35mm and 50mm lenses for the same lenses in black. EVF - only used it to check focus for the M240 and to chimp in bright sunlight but genuinely useful with the M10-P - improved in all respects ISO dial - saw it as a gimmick, but surprisingly useful. ISO performance - You get serious noise above 6400, a stop more than the M240. Touchscreen - once you have it you don't want to lose it, fast and intuitive review of photos Wifi - struggled to get it to work and then suddenly worked perfectly, useful, does everything you would expect - tether, remote trigger etc. I will use this a lot. Level gauge - my Canon DSLR with a wide choice of focal lengths and tilt-shift lens is a much better tool for architectural/landscape photography, You can always finesse in Lightroom anyway. Lens choice - Purely a subjective thing I know, but I find myself reaching for a 35mm more than a 50mm with the M10-P - was the opposite with the M240. What I would have liked - Continuous and Self-Timer on the on/off switch (as with M240) - Longer battery life (battery in the optional accessory grip?) With heavy use of the EVF to review images and also going through the menus to set up the camera, mine lasted just over 100 shots. M240 battery life was way better than this. Have bought a second battery. No doubt in future batteries will be released with longer life. - Deleting photos - No "Delete" button - 3 clicks to delete a picture, not a deal-breaker but inconvenient - Optional Leica Handgrip has ugly thick useless base (I prefer to use a grip with heavier lenses like the 90mm APO). I have bought an RRS plate and grip so the grip at least fulfils some kind of useful function. - Leica provides nice leather strap but too short (110cm) to wear cross-body - would have preferred 125cm and have bought a Rock & Roll 125cm strap in a similar style - Lose the additional framelines, not required when you have the frameline selector - Viewfinder - would be great if you could switch the OVF to 0.9/1x when using 50mm and longer lenses.... - Still 24 megapixels, have 30MP in my Canon 5D, I notice and value the extra quality when printing large or cropping. I guess Leica worried about the oft-quoted rangefinder-focusing "limitations" but in my experience the focus wide open (if correctly adjusted) is extremely accurate to within millimetres and the superb Leica lenses could easily deliver more detail. Missed opportunity, particularly when Sony launched a 42MP camera of the same size years ago Bottom line Significant upgrade in terms of usability. Image quality surprisingly similar so the M240 so if budget is a consideration, a secondhand M240 is a worthy (and cheaper) alternative.

I have not owned the APO but I did own a new 50mm Summicron which is a similar lens to the APO in terms of the "look". The Summicron rendered everything perfectly (very sharp, no distortion, accurate colours) but I found this made for boring photos. I sold the 50mm Summicron for a new 50mm Summilux which for the past three years has been my favourite lens ever. Images look soft with that Leica "glow" - so soft that I actually tested the lens, thinking there could be something wrong with it! It is actually very sharp, just looks soft (weird I know!). Very flattering for portraits, particularly wide open and lovely bokeh, much nicer than the 50mm Cron. Slightly off-topic, I also own an amazing 1960 50mm Summicron, not as "perfect" as a modern Leica 50mm but takes lovely photos with an immediately recognisable "look". Both the 50mm APO and Summicron are superior lenses by every objective technical standard so I could totally understand anyone taking a different view.