scaryink Posted July 13, 2009 Author Share #41 Posted July 13, 2009 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Respectfully Mr. Piper. What are you intending to show with this photograph? I really don't see anything this image is emphasizing. It is not unique and doesn't appear to express any particular vision, feeling or concept. The portion of the re-sized image seems rather odd. What is the point of the blow up? The portion of the image expanded is from the sweet spot of the lens - any lens. My argument in the original post is that vision is the primary reason for the success or failure of an image, not a machines' potential technical prowess. Surely you don't think I am comparing image quality between a cell phone and the M8? The answer is a foregone conclusion. Edited July 13, 2009 by scaryink Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted July 13, 2009 Posted July 13, 2009 Hi scaryink, Take a look here Does a cellphone do a better job than an M8?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
ceflynn Posted July 13, 2009 Share #42 Posted July 13, 2009 (edited) I think Mr. Piper’s two images work as a diptych. It reminds me of the film “"Powers of Ten" by Charles and Ray Eames. Edited July 13, 2009 by ceflynn Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwelland Posted July 13, 2009 Share #43 Posted July 13, 2009 My argument in the original post is that vision is the primary reason for the success or failure of an image, not a machines' potential technical prowess. Surely you don't think I am comparing image quality between a cell phone and the M8? The answer is a foregone conclusion. Scary, if your original point was simply that a good photo is independent of the camera used to shoot it then you should have simply said so rather than trolling here with the M8 comments that you must have known would cause folks to respond negatively to your s**t stirring. I don't think that anyone denies that HCB or AA or any other insightful photographer could produce meaningful photos using just about any type of system, be it a crapphone camera or a pin hole camera. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfokevin Posted July 13, 2009 Share #44 Posted July 13, 2009 (edited) When wrestling with a greased pig, at the end you are both filthy and exhausted – but you get the distinct feeling that the pig enjoyed the experience. Edited July 13, 2009 by sfokevin Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spylaw4 Posted July 13, 2009 Share #45 Posted July 13, 2009 When wrestling with a greased pig, at the end you are both filthy and exhausted – but you get the distinct feeling that the pig enjoyed the experience. :D - love it! (The comment, not the actuality! ) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaryink Posted July 13, 2009 Author Share #46 Posted July 13, 2009 When wrestling with a greased pig, at the end you are both filthy and exhausted – but you get the distinct feeling that the pig enjoyed the experience. Haven't seen the pig wrestling, but I have watched the turkish olive oil wrestling. While the participants might have enjoyed it, I - well lets say was a bit uncomfortable Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted July 13, 2009 Share #47 Posted July 13, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Surely you don't think I am comparing image quality between a cell phone and the M8? The answer is a foregone conclusion. And image quality is a part of what constitutes doing a better job - not all of it, but a part. In some cases a significant part; in others, not. In that regard, it is thus, in your words, a foregone conclusion that, no, a cellphone does not do a better job than an M8. However.....Poynter Online - Al's Morning Meeting One of our photographers at the late, great Rocky Mountain News used his cellphone to capture the slaying of an armed man by Capitol guards here in Denver - for fast breaking news transmission to the office. Followed up with more detailed and better composed shots from his DSLR, but the built-in transmission capabilities of the cellphone were certainly an advantage in a breaking news situtation. If you rephrase your question to be "Does a cellphone sometimes do a better job than an M8?" - then, yes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfokevin Posted July 13, 2009 Share #48 Posted July 13, 2009 (edited) Haven't seen the pig wrestling, but I have watched the turkish olive oil wrestling. While the participants might have enjoyed it, I - well lets say was a bit uncomfortable Glad to know your not on our team... And to stay on thread I will say that I don't think a cellphone could have made this picture but an M8 could... Edited July 13, 2009 by sfokevin Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henning Posted July 13, 2009 Share #49 Posted July 13, 2009 As ar as camera phone goes, I have seen great work from iPhone. Besides, were not Canon/Nikon/Minolta's first dSLRs something like 2MP? They went for around $10-$25K US. So, I guess only lacking part is lens? The Kodak DCS-100, based on Nikon F3 came out in 1994 with 1.3Mp and external hard drive storage. It was the first commercial DSLR, and cost $30,000. It was used for news photography. Henning Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henning Posted July 13, 2009 Share #50 Posted July 13, 2009 Ah such a set of non-sequitors and red herrings, and I don't believe I've ever heard Moses and Ansel Adams mentioned before in the same sentence Isn't that because they are one and the same? I get that distinct impression from a lot of camera fora. Henning Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted July 13, 2009 Share #51 Posted July 13, 2009 Isn't that because they are one and the same? No. Moses went up the mountain. AA photographed them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaryink Posted July 13, 2009 Author Share #52 Posted July 13, 2009 No. Moses went up the mountain. AA photographed them. LOL Hey can you point me to where the photos of Moses and his tablets are in his oeuvre? There has been quite a bit of controversy in the US about the 10 commandments of the Zone System. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jevidon Posted July 14, 2009 Share #53 Posted July 14, 2009 The cellphone definitely has a big advantage over the M8. I can't call long distance worth a damn with my M8. Come to think of it my D300 is not much better. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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