Riley Posted August 7, 2007 Share #241 Posted August 7, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) indeed a conversation with Kit Laughlin about the SD14 puts me in the same mind cameras without AA filters tend to be doubly sharp anyway, and less sharpening should be required. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted August 7, 2007 Posted August 7, 2007 Hi Riley, Take a look here 30 x 40 inch M8 Prints. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
hankg Posted August 7, 2007 Share #242 Posted August 7, 2007 I use C1 with the softer setting. I never sharpen my master file. To prepare a file for delivery to a printer or a client I use PhotoZoom Pro ( it uses an 'S-spline' algorithm ) to enlarge the image using the photo soft or photo detailed profile depending on subject matter. I will then apply sharpening sometimes locally more for some areas then others. Finally a bit of grain overall adds a bit of almost invisible tooth to the image and dithers any 'digitalness' in details. Grain has to be done at final size and after sharpening as you don't want to be sharpening and enlarging this essentially non-image artifact. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchell Posted August 7, 2007 Share #243 Posted August 7, 2007 This all sounds great, but, I'm afraid a little over my head. Is there a book you guys might recommend that includes printing large methods? Thanks, Mitchell Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
guywalder Posted August 7, 2007 Share #244 Posted August 7, 2007 Mitchell, I cant claim any expertise as a printer, although I can suggest 'mastering digital printing' edited by Harald Johnson as a good place to start. To my mind not as authoritative as the colour management book from the same series, but useful none the less Guy Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchell Posted August 7, 2007 Share #245 Posted August 7, 2007 Thanks Guy, I'll check it out. Best, Mitchell Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KM-25 Posted August 7, 2007 Share #246 Posted August 7, 2007 Oh--FWIW, I also use C1 for initial output, though I'm sure that doesn't matter as much as the uprez method. But I don't get "blotches" out of the M8 RAW convert, so that would help Hey--I'm perfectly willing to admit I'm not getting the most out of my 5d shots! Still, I like to think I am Are you doing anything special for the 5d shots? I wonder how David A. likes printing from the M8 now its been out awhile? I too find that C1 gets rid of the blotches that seem to occur with all digital images with fine foliage details. As far as sharpness goes, C1's output is a good bit better than ACR-4. But the interface is clunky and limited so I end up getting better high iso images from ACR-4. On a subject where the light is good and low ISO is used, the M8 is coming within 5-8% of the ability of the 5D in terms of print quality. But once the light changes and the contrast drops or the ISO goes up, the 5D starts to pull away, especially when I compare the 5D/ 35 1.4L combo to the 28 Summicron on the M8. The M8 is really good enough that for 70% of what I do, I will reach for it over the 5D for non-commercial work. It is a great little camera for sure! As for David A? We never talk about gear, only all the other associated things that make a photo great such as people, places, approaches to story ideas, etc. So I really have no idea what he thinks of the M8 as of late.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KM-25 Posted August 7, 2007 Share #247 Posted August 7, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) The big secret I have found with the M8 is to NOT oversharpen on conversion -- just a touch is all that's needed Bingo! I have only had the M8 about 5 days so I am just getting used to it in terms of output, but it seems that I am getting better and better prints out of it the more I understand all the steps and how they differ from the other cameras I use. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack_Flesher Posted August 7, 2007 Share #248 Posted August 7, 2007 Bingo! I have only had the M8 about 5 days so I am just getting used to it in terms of output, but it seems that I am getting better and better prints out of it the more I understand all the steps and how they differ from the other cameras I use. Not only that, you'll likely start to notice how non-digital or "organic" the M8 prints look compared to other cameras. Gotta love it , Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidada Posted August 9, 2007 Author Share #249 Posted August 9, 2007 Hi all, I have been busy lately and I am glad to see this thread goes on without my input! Just returned from the Arles photo festival where many M8's were in evidence, great place to visit in July. Last week in Edinburgh for a show of William Eggleston's works that I printed on the prototype Epson 11880, Bill had fun playing with the M8 and showing me the .9 canon lens on his rdp1. I still prefer the M8 overall although my new Iphone does an excellent job !! Best David Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisC Posted August 9, 2007 Share #250 Posted August 9, 2007 .....I have been busy lately and I am glad to see this thread goes on without my input..... See what you started! And I blame this thread above all others for my M8 Black Hole Syndrome. Seriously David, look in more please. You have particular skills that many of us would be delighted to learn from. .......Chris Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack_Flesher Posted August 9, 2007 Share #251 Posted August 9, 2007 Hi all,I have been busy lately and I am glad to see this thread goes on without my input! Just returned from the Arles photo festival where many M8's were in evidence, great place to visit in July. David, did you by any chance run into Lucien Clergue while in Arles? He is a fine photographer and old friend, and I have been meaning to get back to Arles to visit him... Cheers, Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidada Posted August 9, 2007 Author Share #252 Posted August 9, 2007 David, did you by any chance run into Lucien Clergue while in Arles? He is a fine photographer and old friend, and I have been meaning to get back to Arles to visit him... Cheers, I did not run into Lucien, I did spend time with Francois Marie Banier and Lou Reed both M8 users! Lou was having a ball using his brand new Noctilux shooting great low light portraits. See Francois Marie's images in this weeks New York Magazine Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted August 9, 2007 Share #253 Posted August 9, 2007 Arles one of my favourite towns, regardless of the festival - which I've always seemed to miss. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted August 9, 2007 Share #254 Posted August 9, 2007 The big secret I have found with the M8 is to NOT oversharpen on conversion -- just a touch is all that's needed, Cheers, This does, as several have mentioned, all come back to the fact that the M8 isn't losing detail to the AA filter. As I mentioned in my second review of the camera last fall, there's a big difference between actual detail and the illusion of detail that is created by sharpening. Needless to say, the latter type of file also falls apart to a greater degree as print size increases - it becomes more and more obvious. One doesn't need to sharpen what was never softened. Cheers, Sean Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted August 9, 2007 Share #255 Posted August 9, 2007 One of the things I noticed with the M8 and Photokit sharpeners, was that whereas I'd use the output filters at 100% with the Canon 5D, I was pulling this back to about 70% with M8 files to avoid the files looking over sharpened. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peggers Posted January 24, 2008 Share #256 Posted January 24, 2008 Took the plunge the other day and ordered a 30 x 40 inch print of one of my M8 shots. I prepared the file myself using standard Photoshop tools to up-res to 300dpi, then some select sharpening on some edges (I have a short set of actions set up for this) I didn't add any additional noise - had a look but pulled back, nor use Alien Skin type tools. Metro Imaging, who are round the corner from me, produced the C-Type print onto matt Fuji Crystal Archive paper. They're not the cheapest lab on the block, so I waited nervously to see what the end product looked like. I was completed blown away. I am amazed how good it is - as people have commented like a medium format shot. I've had it mounted onto aluminium plate and now takes pride of place in my flat. In fact, prior to this I had some shots enlarged to 30 x 20 by Metro Imaging. My very first thought when I saw the results - should have gone for 30 x 40! Thus I can testify that the M8's file really do s t r e t c h well! Phil Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atufte Posted January 24, 2008 Share #257 Posted January 24, 2008 Here's one of the M8 pictures i sold at the Norwegian Fall Exhibition... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/8873-30-x-40-inch-m8-prints/?do=findComment&comment=461176'>More sharing options...
gdi Posted January 25, 2008 Share #258 Posted January 25, 2008 I've had it mounted onto aluminium plate and now takes pride of place in my flat. Phil Phil, Could you share details or photos on how the aluminum mounting is done? Thanks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkasturi Posted January 25, 2008 Share #259 Posted January 25, 2008 What should be the resolution (50...100..200..300....dpi of the photo file that is to be processed by the printer (Epson or whatever) ?. Thanks G.Kasturi Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkasturi Posted January 25, 2008 Share #260 Posted January 25, 2008 What should be the resolution (50...100..200..300....dpi of the photo file that is to be processed by the printer (Epson or whatever) ?. Thanks G.Kasturi Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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