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I do have an excellent medium sized back up for my M8, a Ricoh GX200. However I wanted something even smaller, that could fit in the small man-bag that I usually carry around in France. As a Minox 8 x11 user for some years, I thought of just getting one of my film Minoxes out of the drawer and using that but the film is now expensive and the developing horrendous (B&W = £50+ for develop and print). I decided therefore to get the new Minox DSC (Digital Spy Camera), which I had seen at Photokina.

 

My strong advice to others considering this move is DON'T BOTHER! The picture quality is truly horrible - it makes photos taken with my iPhone look good. I had wrongly assumed that the picture quality would be about the same as that of the quite acceptable images from the Contax SL300R* 3 megapixel mini-camera I had some years ago, as the Minox has a 3.2 MP CMOS sensor interpolated to 5 MP. Not so I am afraid. The definition is poor, the noise high and the JPEG artifacts all too evident. It also takes hours to charge for not very many images from a charge. Apart from all that - it is just fine! A clever idea spoilt by hopeless execution. In reality, it is a silly toy that I wish that I could have tried before buying. I now have "MUG" tattooed on my forehead.

 

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Wilson, I'm not familiar with the camera but sell it on e bay, you might not lose much, and buy a Clux2, my carry everywhere camera - it's about the smallest decent quality digital camera I could find, which doesn't need a case and has a good zoom range of 28-100mm approx (I have the Panasonic version though).

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Wilson, I'm not familiar with the camera but sell it on e bay, you might not lose much, and buy a Clux2, my carry everywhere camera - it's about the smallest decent quality digital camera I could find, which doesn't need a case and has a good zoom range of 28-100mm approx (I have the Panasonic version though).

 

James,

 

I had thought of the C-Lux but my wife's experience with C-Luxes has been very poor - 3 failed to date, all electronic glitches, leading to permanent SDS - the last time out of warranty. It is also a bit too big. I have sent a crisply worded email to Minox with some examples (very disappointed long term Minox user etc.) I took a photo in sunlight this morning, of my car, which is burgundy red and in the image it is greenish black with fluorescent green grass behind. I am hoping they may arrange a refund.

 

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Hi Wilson,

 

Why not look at one of those new Sony Ericsson Cybershot cell phones. These now have an 8 megapixel sensor, 3x optical zoom, flash, Carl Zeiss lenses etc. I don't know what the quality is like, but have not heard any really bad things about them. I'm pretty sure it will beat the Minox DSC and is smaller than a C-Lux. Plus it doubles up as a phone.

 

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Hi Wilson,

 

Why not look at one of those new Sony Ericsson Cybershot cell phones. These now have an 8 megapixel sensor, 3x optical zoom, flash, Carl Zeiss lenses etc. I don't know what the quality is like, but have not heard any really bad things about them. I'm pretty sure it will beat the Minox DSC and is smaller than a C-Lux. Plus it doubles up as a phone.

 

Andreas

 

Andreas,

 

1) Sony phones don't sync properly to Macs for contacts etc.

 

2) You are talking to the person who has 2 iPhones (one for the UK and one for France), both still under contract and being paid off.

 

Wilson

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Of course the only real backup for an M is an M.

 

I have been pleased with the Canon SD780IS as a small pocket camera. It is limited when compared with an M for sure, but for a good percentage of daylight shots, it does well. The price is also reasonable, at under $300.

 

Enjoy.

 

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I do have an excellent medium sized back up for my M8, a Ricoh GX200. However I wanted something even smaller, that could fit in the small man-bag that I usually carry around in France. As a Minox 8 x11 user for some years, I thought of just getting one of my film Minoxes out of the drawer and using that but the film is now expensive and the developing horrendous (B&W = £50+ for develop and print). I decided therefore to get the new Minox DSC (Digital Spy Camera), which I had seen at Photokina.

 

My strong advice to others considering this move is DON'T BOTHER! The picture quality is truly horrible - it makes photos taken with my iPhone look good. I had wrongly assumed that the picture quality would be about the same as that of the quite acceptable images from the Contax SL300R* 3 megapixel mini-camera I had some years ago, as the Minox has a 3.2 MP CMOS sensor interpolated to 5 MP. Not so I am afraid. The definition is poor, the noise high and the JPEG artifacts all too evident. It also takes hours to charge for not very many images from a charge. Apart from all that - it is just fine! A clever idea spoilt by hopeless execution. In reality, it is a silly toy that I wish that I could have tried before buying. I now have "MUG" tattooed on my forehead.

 

Wilson

 

 

Hi Wilson,

 

I'd make some more room in the man bag and carry that Ricoh.

 

Cheers,

 

Sean

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Uhm.. sometimes I get tempted to buy a Minox - Leica M3 miniature ... is a funny item...but I'd want it would be someway USABLE too... do you think that its sensor+optic is the SAME as in your Minox DSC ? If so, I drop out the vague idea of having one ... as a toy it's by far too costly... :o

 

Luigi,

 

I would assume the sensor/lens is the same. The lens is about 3mm across.

 

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What's a man-bag (and why do you have to carry a camera around at all times)?

 

It is a small bag that a man can carry - what on earth did you think it was?

 

Murphy's law dictates that the photograph of a lifetime (or this week anyway) will always appear when you don't have a camera.

 

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Hi Wilson,

 

I'd make some more room in the man bag and carry that Ricoh.

 

Cheers,

 

Sean

 

Without the EVF you would be right but I really hate taking photos with LCD's and with the EVF the GX200 is a bit of a lump. The fact that the Minox had an optical finder was one of the major factors which attracted me. You can also mount the flash/LCD to take waist level photos. It is all very clever, it is just a pity it is so poor - maybe I have a duff one but I doubt it.

 

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I carry a D-Lux 4 in it's brown Leica case across my shoulder and chest with the case around my back and wouldn't know it was there............until that opportunity arises for that once in a lifetime shot.

 

I would prefer a viewfinder but compromise is easy when matched to functionality and quality.

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Uhm.. sometimes I get tempted to buy a Minox - Leica M3 miniature ... is a funny item...but I'd want it would be someway USABLE too... do you think that its sensor+optic is the SAME as in your Minox DSC ? If so, I drop out the vague idea of having one ... as a toy it's by far too costly... :o

Luigi,

 

I have one and it's pretty much a toy. Or a curio if you prefer ... :rolleyes:

 

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It is a small bag that a man can carry - what on earth did you think it was?

 

Murphy's law dictates that the photograph of a lifetime (or this week anyway) will always appear when you don't have a camera.

 

Wilson

 

Yeah, but if it's a photograph of a lifetime, don't you want to take it with a decent camera? There's no substitute for the real thing. Carry the M.

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Oh, and get an Upstrap for your M. It makes carrying a camera over the shoulder for a long time really comfortable and slip proof. No, it won't match your loafers or win any fashion contests but who cares? I'd rather have a safe camera and un-slouchy shoulders.

 

Also, the only compact camera worth a dang is the LX-3 IMO (half the price of the Leica and more ergonomic). The 24mm end of the zoom is really impressive (esp as it's f2.0!). Shoot RAW and convert in LR.

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Uhm.. sometimes I get tempted to buy a Minox - Leica M3 miniature ... is a funny item...but I'd want it would be someway USABLE too... do you think that its sensor+optic is the SAME as in your Minox DSC ? If so, I drop out the vague idea of having one ... as a toy it's by far too costly... :o

 

If you are thinking about getting one Luigi, they are available for under Euro 200 now at some dealers. :)

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