summarod Posted April 6, 2009 Share #41 Posted April 6, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hello! A "leftover" from my collection,- shows 35, 50 90 and 135 frames, view as crystal clear as new,- regards Wofhard Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/80181-your-rarest-pieces/?do=findComment&comment=864202'>More sharing options...
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LeicaTom Posted April 7, 2009 Share #42 Posted April 7, 2009 (edited) Here`s another photo of my "Civilian" 43' IIIC K Grey this time in an original 1943/44 RLM Grey Spray Painted "Flat Nose" case with a barrowed Factory Coated US Army 1945 issue Elmar f3.5/50 & FISON shade, the Kodachrome slides are original era dated 1944. The Grey cases are so beautiful, but so rare, I`m still looking for an original "Summitar Nose" Grey case for this camera`s original lens.......does anyone have one for sale? Enjoy! Tom Edited April 7, 2009 by LeicaTom_old Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nealf Posted April 7, 2009 Share #43 Posted April 7, 2009 [ The Grey cases are so beautiful, but so rare, I`m still looking for an original "Summitar Nose" Grey case for this camera`s original lens.......does anyone have one for sale? Enjoy! Tom Freese Camera in Highland Park NJ used to have one years ago, he may still have it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leitzmac Posted April 7, 2009 Share #44 Posted April 7, 2009 No "rarities" for some days... ... well, this isn't ancient nor super rare ... an Elmarit 28 of the very first series, Wetzlar made and with the box that proudly displays its complex and then abandoned 9 elements design. I like this item, even if later designs perform better, and, on M8, lightmetering is uncorrect with it... My scarce Canadian 28mm Elmarit-M Type I with Wetzlar hood ... I think Luigi's Wetzlar Mk I is rare compared to the Canadian version. Cheers dunk Hi Luigi and Dunk, Here's my Wetzlar version 1 Elmarit, boxed with caps, about as good a condition as you could find one in - unless of course it had never been used - cost me an arm and a leg , but it's something a little different and the (now outdated) 8th edition of the Hove International Price Guide rates it's rarity as R8, which is said to be an exhibition item. They're a curious shape that I really quite like, although as Luigi states, the massively protruding rear element causes metering problems with various bodies. All the best, Al Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/80181-your-rarest-pieces/?do=findComment&comment=865799'>More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted April 7, 2009 Share #45 Posted April 7, 2009 Thanks Al. I wonder exactly how many 28mm Mk I M lenses were made? The books I have consulted seem to confuse the issue eg Rogliatti states that the German version was produced from 1965 to 1972 and the Canadian version was produced from 1972. No mention is made of the Canadian Mk I . Hasbroeck in "A History ... " states that the Wetzlar version was produced in 1965 as a 9 element but was supereded in 1966 by a Leitz Canada version having 8 elements. Haesbroeck states that the Canadian version commenced with S/N 2314921 which corresponds to 1969 and not 1966. My Canadian version is definitely S/N 2197409 which corresponds to 1966. Laney in Pocket Book 7th Edition states Mk I S/N 2061501 - 2533850 , Wetzlar design with no mention of Canadian production. And in "Leica Collectors Guide" he states similar ie made in Wetzlar with no mention of Canadian manufacture for the Mk I during 1965-72. The weight of my Canadian Mk I S/N 2197409 as a bare lens without hood and caps is 243 grams ... measured on a Salter electronic scale. Would you and Luigi please weigh your Wetzlar versions without hood and caps and compare? Will be interesting to see if there are any weight differences Thanks Cheers dunk Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted April 8, 2009 Share #46 Posted April 8, 2009 (edited) . Haesbroeck states that the Canadian version commenced with S/N 2314921 which corresponds to 1969 and not 1966. My Canadian version is definitely S/N 2197409 which corresponds to 1966. Laney in Pocket Book 7th Edition states Mk I S/N 2061501 - 2533850 , Wetzlar design with no mention of Canadian production. And in "Leica Collectors Guide" he states similar ie made in Wetzlar with no mention of Canadian manufacture for the Mk I during 1965-72. My Canadian Type1 is 2 062 xxx /1964 and Canadian Type2 is 2 315 xxx /1969 in 1964 Type 1, 2000 piece from 2061501 to 2063500 9 lenses E48 in 1966 Type 1, 1500 piece from 2196901 to 2198400 9 lenses E48 in 1969 Type 2, 1250 piece from 2314751 to 2316000 for M5 E48 in 1970 .....etc Edited January 24, 2011 by jc_braconi Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted April 8, 2009 Share #47 Posted April 8, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) My Canadian Type1 is 2 062 xxx /1964 and Canadian Type2 is 2 315 xxx /1969 in 1964 Type 1, 2000 piece from 2061501 to 2063500 9 lenses E48 in 1966 Type 1, 1500 piece from 2196901 to 2198400 9 lenses E48 in 1969 Type 2, 1250 piece from 2314751 to 2316000 for M5 E48 in 1970 .....etc I'm not sure what you mean by " 9 lenses E48" .. can you please clarify. Thanks. Cheers dunk Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabears Posted April 8, 2009 Share #48 Posted April 8, 2009 Hi Dunk,E48 is filter size (screw tipe),there are even A...filters that are push on (like the ones for old Elmar 50 for screw Leicas). Cheers Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted April 8, 2009 Share #49 Posted April 8, 2009 I'm not sure what you mean by " 9 lenses E48" .. can you please clarify. Thanks. Cheers dunk sabears gave the answer, I forgot to type a coma after lenses 9lenses, (filter) E48. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted April 8, 2009 Share #50 Posted April 8, 2009 Perhaps I'm missing the point here or something .. I understand E48 ... no problem with that ... it is the "9 lenses" that is confusing ... are you saying there were only 9 of the 28mm made in Germany?? Maybe I'm having a bad day?? Cheers dunk Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted April 8, 2009 Share #51 Posted April 8, 2009 (edited) The Elmarit 28 type 1 is the only with a 9 elements design... ...it can be seen drawn on its box (see my above pic); well... tonight I'm going to take its weight: but I have only my wife's kitchen scale... Edited April 8, 2009 by luigi bertolotti Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted April 8, 2009 Share #52 Posted April 8, 2009 The Elmarit 28 type 1 is the only with a 9 elements design... ...it can be seen drawn on its box (see my above pic); well... tonight I'm going to take its weight: but I have only my wife's kitchen scale... Of course ... I am having a rushed day or feeling my age ... Thank you Cheers dunk Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted April 8, 2009 Share #53 Posted April 8, 2009 Originally Posted by dkpeterborough Thanks Al. I wonder exactly how many 28mm Mk I M lenses were made?... On the 3500 piece of Elmarit 2.8/28 type 1, 9 lenses, I cannot get how many were built in Germany / Canada. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted April 8, 2009 Share #54 Posted April 8, 2009 (edited) Thanks Al. I wonder exactly how many 28mm Mk I M lenses were made?... The weight of my Canadian Mk I S/N 2197409 as a bare lens without hood and caps is 243 grams ... measured on a Salter electronic scale. Would you and Luigi please weigh your Wetzlar versions without hood and caps and compare? Will be interesting to see if there are any weight differences Thanks Cheers dunk 28 Elmarit type 1 Wetzlar 2.063.241... my wife Soehnle kitchen scale signs 235g... almost exactly doubled (465) box+lens+hood+caps+warranty paper...... has a sense for engraving "Wetzlar" instead of "Canada" and "Germany" instead of "Canada" you scratch away a little more of metal... Sartorius' book on lenses reported 225g... Edited April 8, 2009 by luigi bertolotti Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted April 8, 2009 Share #55 Posted April 8, 2009 28 Elmarit type 1 Wetzlar 2.063.241... my wife Soehnle kitchen scale signs 235g... almost exactly doubled (465) box+lens+hood+caps+warranty paper... Thanks Luigi. That is 8 grams less than mine but probably insignificant bearing in mind the different scales ... and 8 grams is the weight of a plastic M body cap. Cheers dunk Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest leicaphotos Posted April 9, 2009 Share #56 Posted April 9, 2009 my only rare piece is the 21mm finder marked brooks veriwide 100 leitz new york wetzlar germany - also have a leica / parker ball point pen Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leitzmac Posted April 12, 2009 Share #57 Posted April 12, 2009 Thanks Al. I wonder exactly how many 28mm Mk I M lenses were made? The books I have consulted seem to confuse the issue eg Rogliatti states that the German version was produced from 1965 to 1972 and the Canadian version was produced from 1972. No mention is made of the Canadian Mk I . Hasbroeck in "A History ... " states that the Wetzlar version was produced in 1965 as a 9 element but was supereded in 1966 by a Leitz Canada version having 8 elements. Haesbroeck states that the Canadian version commenced with S/N 2314921 which corresponds to 1969 and not 1966. My Canadian version is definitely S/N 2197409 which corresponds to 1966. Laney in Pocket Book 7th Edition states Mk I S/N 2061501 - 2533850 , Wetzlar design with no mention of Canadian production. And in "Leica Collectors Guide" he states similar ie made in Wetzlar with no mention of Canadian manufacture for the Mk I during 1965-72. The weight of my Canadian Mk I S/N 2197409 as a bare lens without hood and caps is 243 grams ... measured on a Salter electronic scale. Would you and Luigi please weigh your Wetzlar versions without hood and caps and compare? Will be interesting to see if there are any weight differences Thanks Cheers dunk Hi Dunk, When I get a chance I'll weigh it for you, quite interesting to see what the difference is. All the best, Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flatfour Posted April 12, 2009 Share #58 Posted April 12, 2009 Probably rare but not worth much. A 1944 Kodachrome unexposed in canister etc. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/80181-your-rarest-pieces/?do=findComment&comment=869507'>More sharing options...
giordano Posted April 12, 2009 Share #59 Posted April 12, 2009 Probably rare but not worth much. A 1944 Kodachrome unexposed in canister etc. The film speed of 22 degrees would be on the old BS (British Standard) scale, approximately equal to ISO 12. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted April 19, 2009 Share #60 Posted April 19, 2009 Thanks for the comparison pictures Luigi ... big difference ... I have the Mk III also but have only just acquired it and have not tried it yet. I wonder if the difference would be so apparent for a non-close-up subject? Maybe the Mk I was not designed for close focus? Might be worth comparing at longer focusing distances but the Mk III would probably still have the edge. Cheers dunk I THOUGHT I had a Mk III .... what I have is a Mk II S/N 2880553. I did not check the S/N when I bought it. I only checked the illustrations in Leica Pocket Book 7th Edition October 2002 where on page 100 covering Elmarit-M 1:2.8/28mm (II) the book erroneously illustrates the lens with a photo of a Mk I type 28/2.8 ! Because mine was different to the apparent Mk II illustration I assumed it was a Mk III :-( Can someone please confirm that this is a rather unfortunate misprint in the book? Thanks dunk Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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