frc Posted October 26, 2006 Share #21 Posted October 26, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) The arraval of the M8 is something I am looking foreward to. This will enable me to finally load my MP with Tri-X or Kodachrome instead of the eternal bulk of cheap Fuji Sensia. Cutting costs isn't always satisfying. The most irrational reason for never selling the MP is its serial number. When after a career of over two decades in the music bizz I decided to purchace a Leica M camera I found out when I got home it had a serial number that meant everything. 2922 in tune ( 440 ) How could I ever put this camera aside? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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scjohn Posted October 26, 2006 Share #22 Posted October 26, 2006 This is a great thread. The fact that everyone is so eager to respond suggests many are asking themselves the same question. But to me the funniest part is that the original post asks not only whether we plan to keep our film bodies but WHY we are going to do what we are going to do. (And we appear to overwelmingly agree that we will keep a film body.) As far as I can tell we all intend to keep our film bodies because we like them even if we won't necessarily continue to use them. That is how I feel. I love my M7, I want my M7 IT'S MINE!, I WILL keep it, but I am almost certain not to use it with enough frequency to justify forgoing the money I can get from selling it. But who cares! If I couldn't afford priceless passion I wouldn't have the money for an M8 either. I really liked my Nikon F5 and thought I would keep it after buying a DX2. I never used it and finally decided to sell it on the theory that if I ever wanted to shoot film I would use my M7 anyway. But with airport security the way it is transporting film is such a pain I actually leave my M7 at home at times already. I can imagine a backpacking trip. Hiking uphill tthrough spectacular terrain to a land high above the timber line where a camera that can shoot film without any battery power at all will make the trip for me. I am saving my film body for that... and its lucky because when I dust it off for the trip the battery will probably already be dead from sheer disuse. But don't mind me. I have an R-D1 too and I already know from personal experience how even a digital camera of less quality than I expect from the M8 can push an M7 into a reserve roll. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmsr Posted October 26, 2006 Share #23 Posted October 26, 2006 NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! However, I have sold off a lot of other gear. My second film M body was sold, and I also sold the CM. In film, I will always have my M5. I will also have two digitals to compliment the M8, a DLux3, and a D200. With the anticipation of the M8, the D200 kit has dropped down to just a 60 2.8 Macro and 70-210 2.8 for Telephoto fun at events, races, zoos, or air shows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted October 26, 2006 Share #24 Posted October 26, 2006 DIgital is for Accountants, and people with deadlines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradreiman Posted October 27, 2006 Share #25 Posted October 27, 2006 no way. ive recently been imagining myself with both. i think ill probably shoot the m8 loads more because of cost and convenience but..the m6 will make an excellent backup and a perfect extra lens holder. furthermore..my m6 is , this is hard to put to words, my very favorite inorganic object on the planet. i feel like its a part of me. could never sell it. its been through too much with me. its been on every continent except antartica with me. it recovered from katrina with me and was part of the therapy that got me through. it's taught me how to express myself, and the pictures i make with it tell things about me and how i see the world that words can't. i shoot a whole lot with it and at home sometimes i just look at it or hold it (is that fondling?) Ive realized that i can have fun just looking at my m6. Its a wonder of human ingenuity and precision. The Leica m is one of the sweetest machines man has produced. i'll always keep the 3b,3g and m6. bring on the m8! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomasw_ Posted October 27, 2006 Share #26 Posted October 27, 2006 No. Film -- especially BW film -- will always have a place in my photography. The subtle tones are such a delight on film. My M5 is not planning to find another home (whatever my darling wife thinks about replacing it for me with a M8). When I saw it and used it, I knew it had come to stay. Good cheer, Thomas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdewitt Posted October 27, 2006 Share #27 Posted October 27, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) My view camera sits, unused. My four Nikons sit, unused. My M4-P sits, unused. Why? I don't want to work with film anymore. The only camera I ever use is my Digilux 2 and then only for vacation snapshots. There are NO digital cameras on the market that I like. Except the M8, from what I know so far. I'm first on the waiting list at a shop and I can't wait. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidmires Posted October 27, 2006 Share #28 Posted October 27, 2006 I plan to continue using my M6. I like film. I like the way it looks. I like the way it smells when I open the little can. It's an old familiar thing. I like the mystery of the unseen, undeveloped images in the camera. I like to wind the lever. That's the way I feel now at least. It would be interesting to ask again in a couple of months... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwilliamsphotography Posted October 27, 2006 Share #29 Posted October 27, 2006 Nope. I decided to keep both my film Ms. I am sure that the M7 will actually be used even more the coming year after the M8 arrives. I will be using the M8 to shoot weddings and I need a back-up for it anyway. Plus, the M7 will be used to shoot B&W. The MP3 chrome is my personal camera and constant travel companion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbretteville Posted October 27, 2006 Share #30 Posted October 27, 2006 I sold my M4-P, I'm keeping my late S# M6 which I'll keep loaded with B&W film. The M8, it it happens, will be used for colour work - mostly. - Carl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrewer Posted October 27, 2006 Share #31 Posted October 27, 2006 Whenever your new M8 arrives' date=' will you be selling off your 'working' film M's,[/i'] moving into the new age and becoming a dedicated digital photographer ? Well, I guess we settled that! Any other questions????? Thanks. Allan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddp Posted October 27, 2006 Share #32 Posted October 27, 2006 The MP3 chrome is my personal camera and constant travel companion. Marc, This is a really dangerous question...but I will pose it anyway - what are your impressions of the MP3? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic vic Posted October 27, 2006 Share #33 Posted October 27, 2006 ha ha william ... may i suggest two more films ... first of all provia 100 can be used to besedes the great kodakk slides.... now, on the fast speeds... u can use ppovia 400... u can push it to 800 without any worries and u can be confident enough even with 1600 with this film. another great film is kodak e200 that u can go up to 800.. from my experience it works very well, thoough personally i prefer the provia 400 "look". another one is a fantastic colour negative fuji npz800. also one push stop is ok even under mixed lightiings. so try it if u need. now about the digital issue that u have mentioned - the "look".... i think many people here are simply blind and agitateted (not by leica in this case but by all photo industry). i dont know the m8 camera, but i listen carefully to sean reids talks and writtings cause he is a man i trust, and possibly i have the m8 in my view soon in the future, and it is intresting to me. but.... i have uploaded on some other thread here a few photos with top of digital photography.. leaf aptus digital back that i have recently started to examine... i have just started the first post and wanted to develop and draw some issues about digita/film issues (noise, dynasmic range, look etc eetc) from my experience (and other my coligues) about that but there were no replies to it at all... why??? i dont know... people just dont mind about it ... when people are blind (or may be just exited by the idea of digital m) they dont care about what u say - "look", "chatacter", "quality".... so u talk to yourself and only few people here around listen to u and the issues u draw... now, please, everybody note and read carefully..... i have nothing against digital, and surely nothing about what seems to be great leica m8 camera.... nothing against it... but when u talk about it - please, put the things in proportions.. better to u and better for the readers of your posts.... just get some proportions, some more MATURE observations and thoughts about those issues... from te "birds-fly-high-look", the talks seem to me many times like teenagers talks about guitars - which one is better - ibanez, fender or gibson, although most of those teens cannot buy it and cannot really play on it properly. personally.. i love very much the gibson giutar.. not becasue i that good giutar player, but only becase i love jimmy page sound from ledzepplin so much..... but i also love david gilmour from pinkfloyd sound very much of course... i myself.. the sounds and the play i may make on those guitars... it would be shame both for fender and for gibson :-))))))))) direct question to sean reid.... sean... u know very well that i apriciate your work... but, people repeat that u say that m8 has the "medium format look"... if u use this phrase as some nice beautiful refarance - than great - no problems - i indeed may agree with u about m8 or about canon 1d (or what ever it is called - i see photo from it by my friends that use it). but if u say it directly comapring?!.... wait...... i see real medium format digital and real medium format film... sorry man ... even digital medium format (which is the top digital) has not reached the film medium format depth.... very close... very very close, and more than enough for most applications... but not there.... so, how leica, or canon can be compared to the depth and richness of slide film???? u know, one more thing... on some advertisings of leaf, one reads that the leaf is so good that it is the only one that compares to the film qualities.... now, when examining the leaf back.. a guy there repeated in our conversations that the leaf (and for that matter i will add the compaetitors imacon and phase one and sinar too probably) are the only ones that come close and can be sutisfactory to the film richness and depth. so if one wants to use digital.. no problems... it seems that very soon i will also use digital alot, and soon maybe even m8 camera... it has its vertues and there are no questions about it.... but talking about it like exited and lazy-to-do-anything teenager???? :-)))))))))) oh.. just a replay to the original post of this thread... i have already ordered a specially museum box with window in front to put there mp camera (and other film cameras). the fims i ahve... i have thow them - all of them and the refegirator is clean now of everrything :-))))))) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frc Posted October 27, 2006 Share #34 Posted October 27, 2006 Hi Vic, Remember, Page used Fenders quite often. Not on stage, here he prefered the big sound of the Gibson Les Paul custom. In the studio however he used a lot of different instruments. Did you know that the guitarsolo in Stairway to Heaven is played on a Fender Telecaster. When my M8 arives, I'll not only keep my MP but the Tele, the Explorer and the beautiful Santiago Marin concertguitar will stay as well. Fr. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic vic Posted October 27, 2006 Share #35 Posted October 27, 2006 ha ha fr fr... ya i know about the big arsenal of jimy pages guitars... but still the most commonly assosiated sound of jimy page comes from the les-poul, true... ha by the way.. a few months ago i was in hotel after long day work and turned the bbc-uk(?) i think and sudenly i see jimmy page in his studio - he was explaining about his beloved guitars etc.. that was realy exiting even if was so tired :-))) i understand that u play man :-))))) great arsenal u have :-)))))))) one thing that im so sorry that i was not seroius when studing music.. so sorry about it... my wet dream is toplay bethovens apposionata myself, or some paganinis violin kaprisis, or some great guitar solos (depending on mood)... but u can understand - it will never happen :-))))))))) so, piano is great when alfred brendal is playing for example :-))))) tzukerman's play is to my taste on the violin, and guitar - we have originals - records by the masters themselves - so better they will play.. all i can do it to turn the hi-fi :-))))))))))) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
humanized_form Posted October 27, 2006 Share #36 Posted October 27, 2006 vic and all, interesting you mention guitars! as i am sometimes reminded of music when it went transitioned to digital like photography is doing now. jimmy page got great guitar sounds from his classic guitars. guitar sounds which were from miced analog tube amps, routed through analog mixing consoles and to analog tape machines. analog tape with awesome harmonic distortion and tape saturation when the levels got out of control (think dynamic range of film), not anything like what you get when you peak out levels with anything digital which can simply mute out (in digital photography that would be the lack of dymanic range and blowing the highlights. hahah!). the effects used (the post pocessing!) were primitive, things like tape delays for echoes, spring reverbs, little effect pedals, creative micing techniques etc... the changes in photography as it goes digital remind me of what i noticed of music technology in the mid to late 1980s as a teenager. there was the advent of adat digital multitrack replacing home recording on 4-track cassetes or 1/2" 8- track reel to reel things, there were the digital amplifier heads coming out which were trying to emulate classic analog sounds with digital presets(much like film emulation software!), there were digital effects that were always perfect and sounded generically so (much like photoshop effects etc). now i notice there is an interest in the analog stuff again. recording to tape (and then transferring to digital for editing, probably). classic stompbox effects. tube amps, etc. i think these things are desirable because they sound different than the digital sameness. as an example a tube amp sounds like what it sounds like that day. maybe a tube needs replacement and that makes the amp sound different that day for that recording, maybe the room temperture is different and something weird happens, who knows? there is chance. the sounds made that day won't be replicated exactly the next. i like that, i dont know why but it sort of reminds of the variables of using film. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted October 27, 2006 Share #37 Posted October 27, 2006 I'll be keeping my M7. I had a chance to fondle the new M8 yesterday at Samy's in Santa Ana, California. Ebi was there demonstrating the new camera when I happened to walk in to pick up some B&W pictures shot with my M7. I have to say that the new M8 camera is very much an M camera (except that the shutter is not a whisper) and is a very smart and simple camera which I liked. I took a few snaps and magnified the shots on the LCD and they seemed a bit noisy to me at the 300 something ISO in comparisn to my Canon 20D at 400 ISO. Sorry guys, in the end, I did not have a WOW experience so I'm glad to be staying the course for now and keeping the M7 and if prices keep dropping on the M7 as someone else mentioned on this forum, to below $1500.00, then I'll consider a second M7 (that's a lot cheaper than $4800.00) and no crop factor so no need for new lenses :-). I'm really looking forward to reviews of actual pictures now that the firmware has been finalized. The camera I played with yesterday had the finalized firmware. According to Ebi, about 50 have been pre-sold already at Samy's. Cheers, Wilfredo+ Benitez-Rivera Photography Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
graham_mitchell Posted October 27, 2006 Share #38 Posted October 27, 2006 Nice to see that everyone loves their Ms so much but it begs the question: if the film M is so great, why did you order the M8? Surely one of them will be superior for a given type of shooting, so why not stick to the better one (whichever you may think that is)? It is not as if they are totally different animals. Or is everyone so well heeled that they can afford to keep the M6/7 for that one roll of B&W film a year they plan to shoot with it? I could better understand why a Mamiya RZ67 owner would get an M8 for street shooting. Ever seen the size of an RZ67? Not a criticism - it just makes me wonder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrc Posted October 27, 2006 Share #39 Posted October 27, 2006 When I come into this forum, I always come into the main page, which lists all the forums, not just this one. The page also lists how many people are looking at each. A minute ago, when I clicked back to look, there were 53 people viewing the digital forum, and 1 was viewing the film forum. jc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic vic Posted October 27, 2006 Share #40 Posted October 27, 2006 kavin... ya - very true.. ok.. u make a comparison from the RECORDING point of view.. true - it can be made s u do, but here is another way to compare it to music... what about a master players on violin and guitars and drums and pianos etc and those who make music on computers and alike and simulate sometimes the sounds of traditional intruments??? compare it to craft of photgraphy - a direct touch of film and light, and the darkroom work... about tubes.. also very true.. there is amazing conrad hognson amplifiers (with tubes), it is simply amazing. of course the great digital based technology from meridian is great too but the sound of tube... welll - megic.... another great amplifier is (non-tube though) the sonus faber.. at least it works great with the small guarnery speackers (but i think on the big ones it is good too). greham... next phrase is to have two m8 bodies.. in different colours, or for different iso settings, or one for b/w JPEG mode and the other for colour JPEG mode :-)))))))))))) with film camera m it is not good any more - u have to put it in one-hour-ready lab including scans.. but it is ok for b/w c-41 from time to time so why not keep it :-)))))))))) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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