john_newell Posted January 30, 2010 Share #41 Posted January 30, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hahaha...that's a good one, are you related to Bill Gates? You did notice that that post was almost a year old, and was fully six months before the introduction of the M9? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted January 30, 2010 Posted January 30, 2010 Hi john_newell, Take a look here a new M8 issue: The coffee ring. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Bo_Lorentzen Posted January 31, 2010 Share #42 Posted January 31, 2010 Hmm. well just for the record, just discovered the coffee ring on my 8.2 - no case and soft home in camera bag. so this is definitely not a make me upgrade to Sapphire glass issue ha ha. guess I have to call Leica. . Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJF Posted January 31, 2010 Share #43 Posted January 31, 2010 Also just discovered the coffee ring on an 8.2. Does this mean the Passport has to be used? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotham Historian Posted February 7, 2010 Share #44 Posted February 7, 2010 I also discovered this coffee ring on my M8, which didn't seem to have it three weeks ago. It's most noticeable on light backgrounds but not on dark backgrounds. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PhotoWebb.co.uk Posted February 7, 2010 Share #45 Posted February 7, 2010 I wonder if my M8 was actually working if it'd be showing this issue too! Hahahaha! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotham Historian Posted February 7, 2010 Share #46 Posted February 7, 2010 The coffee ring doesn't seen to affect the performance of the camera at all. Since the LCD isn't used except during reviewing of pictures, it really has no impact on the acquisition of shots. I'm not sure it's worth the $1000 or so Leica would charge to change the LCD out. I guess it's official, my Leica is no longer perfect, but I still love her! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfokevin Posted February 8, 2010 Share #47 Posted February 8, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Also just discovered the coffee ring on an 8.2. Does this mean the Passport has to be used? Yes... Just hit the "Play" button THREE times - AFTER each press SLOWLY chant "There is no place like SOLMS"... (I believe it will only work in any language - If not your local dealer should be able to perform it in German)... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_newell Posted February 8, 2010 Share #48 Posted February 8, 2010 Scandalous thought here...but for my money, the size of the M8/8.2 LCD is such that having a coffee ring doesn't really detract from its (very modest) usefulness. However, YMMV. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manolo Laguillo Posted February 9, 2010 Share #49 Posted February 9, 2010 Since end of December 2009 I've got two M8 secondhand, both with the coffee ring. I bought the 1st in Madrid, and returned it to the shop one week later because of the coffee ring. The 2nd I bought in Germany, by phone order, and it has the coffee ring as well. I came in contact with Solms via email, following the shops's advice, and they answered: "the camera must be repaired". So I talked to the shop, and ordered a M8.2, this apparently without the CR, but they finally did not send it to me because it has the CR too! Now the shop is waiting for Solms' answer. How strange: it seems that a majority of M8 (in my personal experience it is "all M8": 3 out of 3) do have this weird coffee ring! I just measured the coffee ring: aprox. 1,5 x 2,5 cm (I express it deliberately in cm, not in mm, because the borders are very soft), more or less the size of the sensor! Does the sensor become warm? Could that be the origin? In any case, the CR of my 2nd M8 is much more lighter in color than the one of my first M8. And the shapes are not exactly the same. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipotto Posted February 9, 2010 Share #50 Posted February 9, 2010 My M8.2 has the ring as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loo Posted February 10, 2010 Share #51 Posted February 10, 2010 I discovered the coffee ring issue just days after I received my second-hand M8. I googled it then found this place! Luckily the camera is still under warranty till November 2010. Will Leica provide exteneded warranty on the repair job? Is it better off send it now or just before the warranty expires? I know it's going to take months to get it fixed and I will definitely miss my M8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted February 10, 2010 Share #52 Posted February 10, 2010 (edited) Just curious... How many of those that have the CR are making long exposures or have held the B shutter open for long periods? Or, as a follow up, does anyone know how hot the sensor or the edge of the board might get during a long exposure? Edited February 10, 2010 by RickLeica Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johane Posted February 10, 2010 Share #53 Posted February 10, 2010 My "coffee ring" came and it went... I live in Sweden and used the M8 in below -20 C, the ring came when the camera where brought indoors, but disappeared the day after. Now it's totaly gone. Have anyone else experienced this??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiOnara Posted February 10, 2010 Share #54 Posted February 10, 2010 My "coffee ring" came and it went...I live in Sweden and used the M8 in below -20 C, the ring came when the camera where brought indoors, but disappeared the day after. Now it's totaly gone. Have anyone else experienced this??? Now this is a twist in the tail! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaques Posted May 14, 2010 Share #55 Posted May 14, 2010 well- whaddya know- that legendary leitz quality. I just purchased an m8 and it has this ring. Mine is near the center- an oblong 1.5cm or so... The camera only has 6k actuation... What is the consensus here: ignore or repair? Will it grow- is the camera damaged - other than a slight annoyance when viewing light backgrounds on the screen. How much does Leitz charge for the repair- what are experiences with this repair, etc. does it just come back? How does Leica explain this defect? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenerrolrd Posted May 16, 2010 Share #56 Posted May 16, 2010 I have this on an M8.2 . The repair will be a replacement of the LCD under warranty. Its seems to be a known problem. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaques Posted May 16, 2010 Share #57 Posted May 16, 2010 so am I correct in assuming that everyone who has experienced this has had the camera repaired? Has anyone ignored it? Did it get worse? I think the camera I just bought is out of warranty- I am awaiting word from Solms. If this is the case then Leica takes no responsibility? What is the out of warranty repair cost? I think this is pretty bad- considering the M8 I have only has 6K actuations and is in cosmetically excellent condition... unacceptable really. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted May 16, 2010 Share #58 Posted May 16, 2010 Doesn't this illustrate Leica's problem? Our perception of their poduct quality is influenced by the quality of a (say) $30 display bought in from China over which they have no influence. They can bitch about the quality to the supplier but cannot apply the same quality control they do to their lenses. I can't find the display listed but a 3.5" display from Hitachi for delivery tomorrow costs $80, one off. With a bulk forward contract, that cost will plummet. My guess is it's an hour's work to change the display plus the inevitable rangefinder check. Add in logistics and the cost could easily be €200. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted May 16, 2010 Share #59 Posted May 16, 2010 Hi Try removing batteries, and leaving for 24 hours in coolest part of cool airing cupboard, if it contains a heater or hot tank don't use the heater or immersion... don't try a cool oven, different sort of treatment, like drying K9 in microwave... Airing cupboard will normally cure - some - humidity and stiff lube problems, but I'd nominate a guinea pig, rather than all writing off M8s together. It is not a good idea getting even a M2 wet or moving from indoor to outdoors in cold weather, even coffee shops can have high humidity. I do like coffee as well. Noel Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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