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M8.2 now £2955/€3380/$4327 at Robert White

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Ignoring the possibility of an error on their site, Robert White in the UK are now listing the M8.2 as shown, significantly down from before. Price excludes UK VAT.

 

By comparison, Leica Berlin are showing it at €4197 + tax, B&H $5995 + tax...

 

Robert White - Specialist Camera and Photographic Suppliers of Nikon, Canon, Leica, Hasselblad, Mamiya, Zeiss Ikon, Voigtlander, Quantum etc.

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I'm sure it does, if indirectly. Canon have curtailed their investment, Nikon are reporting a loss but for those wondering whether the time is right to buy an M8.2, it's quite interesting. As of now, the cost of the M8 to M8.2 upgrade is €2000, so what's the residual value of an M8, I wonder?

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...but for those wondering whether the time is right to buy an M8.2, it's quite interesting. As of now, the cost of the M8 to M8.2 upgrade is €2000, so what's the residual value of an M8, I wonder?

 

I'm not considering buying a 3rd M8... Maybe it is interesting for those who doesn't have a M8 yet, but for those who have already one body but are considering to get a second one... I think, I will wait till PMA 2009.

 

The residual value of my two upgraded M8 is ...nil?

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Leica is going to have a very, very hard time selling M8s for anything close to their standard prices for years. Even when economic conditions begin to recover in 2010 or 2011 (by earliest forecasts) people won't resume their days-of-wine-and-roses styles until long afterward.

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How would these two items be linked?

 

Panasonic, Nec, Sony, Toyota... and many other Japanese Corporations are cutting down jobs worldwide... I don't see how Leica could resist this global crisis...

 

Panasonic closes 27 factories... and we don't know yet how/if this can affect Leica business...

 

 

No idea, perhaps Bill can make the connection...

 

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These a connected only in as much as everyone, everywhere, is cutting jobs.

 

Not heard of any job cuts at Leica (they are all beavering away getting the S2 completed), but to cut prices in this market is a sensible move.

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I guess the real question is whether dealers are cutting price to get rid of unsold inventory and improve their cash position or whether Leica is cutting prices to try and find the sweet spot for sales so they can keep manufacturing going. If we continue to see this kind of price erosion it won't be long before a $3K M8.x will be a reality. I have noticed that several sites no longer list the M8 so they may have unloaded their M8 inventory and are now working on the M8.2 inventory.

 

I wonder how long it will be before we see lens prices start tumbling too. They are priced way too high for this market and the value proposition discussed in Luminous Landscape.

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The other "elephant in the room" suggestion is that perhaps Leica and dealers are making way for new cameras to fill the M8.x current slot at the top of the RF market (and maybe something else at the "entry" level").

 

FWIW, the global recession might be deep but short given the trillions in stimulus...and Leica could be well positioned with new offerings by the end of the year.

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Jamie,

 

Very optimistic both in terms of the economy and Leica's capabilities. I suspect the S2 is eating their resources and limiting their R&D, never mind an R10. While I can't speak to the rest of the world, I don't see the current US stimulus package doing much to stimulate the US economy. Maybe the final bill will change my opinion but not the current one.

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When will they go below the second hand price of an M7 or MP?

 

Actually, it happened already ... you should check the price of a perfectly mint MP.

 

Film and digital cameras are like apples to oranges, Andy ... digital changed the game plan.

 

I think Leica must be the worst investment on Dr.Kaufmann's record.

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The other "elephant in the room" suggestion is that perhaps Leica and dealers are making way for new cameras to fill the M8.x current slot at the top of the RF market (and maybe something else at the "entry" level").

 

FWIW, the global recession might be deep but short given the trillions in stimulus...and Leica could be well positioned with new offerings by the end of the year.

 

Jamie; I've no idea what Leica plans, but the deep-but-short recession is, I'm sad to say, wishful thinking. The trillions of (mostly future-borrowed) dollars/pounds/Euros of "stimulus" won't get anything moving forward, any more than jacks can dig mines. History has taught us long ago that the main benefit and role of artificial government fund support is to control public despair and anger. Only restored faith in capital markets will get the world, or at least the U.S., moving again.

 

Even the "luxury goods" brands (of which Leica is a member) are hunkering down hard for the long haul. I think that, given the private and limited nature of Leica's capital funding, we should just hope they survive at all.

 

Or not, in which case we'll all own collectors' items.

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Very much for thought. If it can be bought a new M8.2 for $4325 (with 2-yr warranty), and unless already scheduled for an upgrade, the cost of shutter/glass/frames (with 1-yr warranty) is $2100, it is only sensible economics to do the upgrade if the used M8 cannot be resold for more than IMHO $1500. So far as it can be resold for $2000 or thus, it makes better intelligence to sell him and buy from White a new M8.2.

 

On subjects of the stimulus, it feels to many of us a familiar political cronyism between the Democratic party and various unions. It will borrow (or print) money to create work projects for union workers. They will pay into union dues, and union leaders will get richer. Then because the real problems are not solved, it will be time to repay this borrowings, but it will be only after Obama has served two terms and calls a hero. It is same like happened with Clinton, who BTW was the one who signed law to relax Fannie and Freddie lending requirements in order to make available more loans to minorities. This stimulus is like the shot of adrenaline for someone who heart is failing. He may get up and go home, but sooner or later his heart will again stop.

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