Avelino Posted October 19, 2006 Share #1 Posted October 19, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Don't know if you guys have seen this, but these links have some very interesting pics taken with the M8 showing noise at various ISO setings (from the French site Summilux.net): M8 Brief Report and Sample Photos - HK LFC and here the same images, cropped and enlarged: M8 Brief Report and Sample Photos - HK LFC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 19, 2006 Posted October 19, 2006 Hi Avelino, Take a look here M8 noise. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 19, 2006 Share #2 Posted October 19, 2006 It's beta software and is not optimized yet . Thanks though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miami91 Posted October 19, 2006 Share #3 Posted October 19, 2006 I think I'm probably less freaked out by noise than some people, but personally, I don't think those results took too bad. 2500 is a bit ugly, but can't imagine I'd often shoot at that speed. But 1250 looks quite usable, particularly if NeatImage or NoiseNinja is employed for fine tuning. Besides, as Guy points out, there will be further improvements, and we don't know if these were taken as DNGs, etc. Jeff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidada Posted October 19, 2006 Share #4 Posted October 19, 2006 I ran one of the 2500 iso crops through Alien skins B&W simulator, I think it is very useable the filter was Ilford HP400, from my distant memory of film this representation looks very good Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/7470-m8-noise/?do=findComment&comment=73570'>More sharing options...
pascal_meheut Posted October 19, 2006 Share #5 Posted October 19, 2006 This is funny because I'm the one who posted the link on Summilux.net after reading it here: http://www.leica-camera-user.com/digital-forum/7259-leica-m8-test-sample-pictures-available.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvaubel Posted October 19, 2006 Share #6 Posted October 19, 2006 I found the noise at 2500 to be very acceptable. An autoprofile of the tiny, out of focus JPEG, through Neat Image, did a good job. I could tell that the full profiling procedure on full DNG files could produce superior results. I've fooled with enough verifiable M8 images at this point that I believe the M8 is going to produce files that are almost as noise free as the 5D. And thats a pretty tall order. Rex Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted October 19, 2006 Share #7 Posted October 19, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Would be interesting to see how this compares say to a Canon 5D using an "L" series lens. Cheers, Wilfredo Benitez-Rivera Photography Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvaubel Posted October 19, 2006 Share #8 Posted October 19, 2006 Would be interesting to see how this compares say to a Canon 5D using an "L" series lens. Cheers, Wilfredo Benitez-Rivera Photography I would hope it would be sharper But then, whoever took the M8 picture is to blame for the soft appearance, not the lens. But your right, noisewise it would be an interesting comparision. Rex Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted October 19, 2006 Share #9 Posted October 19, 2006 Would be interesting to see how this compares say to a Canon 5D using an "L" series lens. Cheers, Wilfredo Benitez-Rivera Photography Hi Wilfredo, I'll be comparing the M8 to the R-D1 and the 5D. Many of the Canon L lenses are quite good but the 50/2.5 macro is probably Canon's sharpest 50 and that's the lens I'll use for the comparisions. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvaubel Posted October 20, 2006 Share #10 Posted October 20, 2006 Hi Wilfredo, I'll be comparing the M8 to the R-D1 and the 5D. Many of the Canon L lenses are quite good but the 50/2.5 macro is probably Canon's sharpest 50 and that's the lens I'll use for the comparisions. Cheers, Sean Sean Those three cameras will make a very interesting comparision. As many of us have the RD1, we will be interested to see what we are getting for the extra $2000. And of course the 5D represents the gold standard in the "35mm" format (cool it, Nikonites:) ) We will all anxiously await the first part of your report. Rex Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 20, 2006 Share #11 Posted October 20, 2006 I will be testing the M8 to it's older brother the DMR. I am not stepping outside the leica box this time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnll Posted October 20, 2006 Share #12 Posted October 20, 2006 ... I'll be comparing the M8 to the R-D1 and the 5D. Many of the Canon L lenses are quite good but the 50/2.5 macro is probably Canon's sharpest 50 and that's the lens I'll use for the comparisions. ... This will indeed be interesting, at least to satisfy our curiosity, both for resolution and high-ISO noise. If the M8 can match the 5D it will be a major achievement, because the 5D has on its side (1) bigger pixels (less challenging to lens resolution and potentially lower high-ISO noise) and (2) more of them (less enlargement to any given print size). One should remember that Canon tends to be very conservative in its ISO ratings: 3200 on the 5D is generally thought to be somewhere in the 4000-5000 range, and to get a true 2500 you would probably have to dial in only about 1600 or so. I have no idea how the M8 will compare on this score. From the point of view of practical photography, I'd guess the M8, like the 5D, will be a superb tool --- better for RF usage without question, but without the versatility of the SLR (long teles, macro work &c). I'd be surprised if IQ differences turn out to be significant under field, rather than test, conditions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted October 20, 2006 Share #13 Posted October 20, 2006 One should remember that Canon tends to be very conservative in its ISO ratings: 3200 on the 5D is generally thought to be somewhere in the 4000-5000 range, and to get a true 2500 you would probably have to dial in only about 1600 or so. I have no idea how the M8 will compare on this score. Not only do I remember that but I published the first review, to my knowledge, that looked at the actual ISO performance of a digital camera vs. it's rated performance. That was my LL review of the Leica D2 of 2004 and prior to that I'm not aware of any reviewer who looked at that aspect. Phil Askey later started to look at it in some of his reviews. The 5D isn't in the 4000 - 5000 range at ISO 3200, it's at 4000. The Canon DSLRs generally seem to run about 1/3 stop more sensitive than their nominal ISO ratings. What you haven't accounted for in your estimation is the M8's ISO sensitivity relative to it's nominal ISO. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted October 20, 2006 Share #14 Posted October 20, 2006 Sean, I'll be looking forward to the comparisons. We all know the price tag for the M8 is well above $2000.00 (U.S.) in comparison to the 5D (and in a few months even this camera will be replaced by something new and improved by Canon) so I would expect that the M8 would be a better performing camera for the extra money. At the very least it should rival the 5D with an "L" lens in picture quality. Rex, you wrote: "I would hope it would be sharper But then, whoever took the M8 picture is to blame for the soft appearance, not the lens." Let's give the guy who took the picture the benefit of the doubt. How difficult is it to focus an M lens???? Wilfredo+ Benitez-Rivera Photography Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted October 20, 2006 Share #15 Posted October 20, 2006 So on the basis of a couple of out of focus hand helds from a pre release we are all ... no I won't say it. Save my post getting the mad cow disease and a private modmail . Talk about knee jerk. So you reckon Leica will go backwards from the DMR? Yeah right. Hey we need a "it leaves me cold" 'moticon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted October 20, 2006 Share #16 Posted October 20, 2006 I doubt if noise is an issue considering no one is really taking this digital thing seriously, These so called digital buyers are just a bunch of film guys getting old and lazy who are now finding out that the stress of modern living is too much Guy this shows your confusion about this issue... meds..... havagoodone Images………………………………etrouko Imants Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 20, 2006 Share #17 Posted October 20, 2006 Imants I think you need your meds. Don't even think about firing up my engine on this one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted October 20, 2006 Share #18 Posted October 20, 2006 I will be testing the M8 to it's older brother the DMR. I am not stepping outside the leica box this time. Heh heh heh Guy--the arrows must still hurt! But I'm going to defninitely compare the NOISE ability of the M8 to the DMR and the 5d and 1ds2 (which is actually much better than the 5d in this regard, IMO--at least mine is, ok, please don't flame me... it *is better*).... See? I can't even state the comparison without it being controversial. I think you're a wise, wise guy, Guy! But the comparison I will do will when my work slows down a bit would be shooting RAW and using the same processor (probably C1). I will try to get have "real" shots of stuff, not just test charts. I will also equalize the lenses as much as possible, and that means using R glass wherever possible. I know the Canon L glass is good...but it isn't as good, in my opinion, as the R glass, and I'm not really talking about "sharpness" either, but rather contrast, colour and low and bright light performance. So I'll use R glass in the comparison across the board and we'll see how they do... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 20, 2006 Share #19 Posted October 20, 2006 My thoughts are the M8 and DMR will be so close image wise that you would not notice any difference . But the noise on the M8 will be 2 stops better and at 1250 will be extremely good and after that if i need more light i will just pack my bags or pull out the lights. I never been over ISO 800 on anything ever. LOL The noise ceiling has really gotten stupid with the marketing of it. I have shot kodachrome 64 for most of my career and it really comes down to just knowing how to shoot with the limitations brought forth. I feel the fire coming on now. I read so many threads about shooting at 3200 ISO that i just laugh anymore. Noise marketing at it's finest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
larry Posted October 20, 2006 Share #20 Posted October 20, 2006 The noise ceiling has really gotten stupid with the marketing of it. I have shot kodachrome 64 for most of my career and it really comes down to just knowing how to shoot with the limitations brought forth. I feel the fire coming on now. I read so many threads about shooting at 3200 ISO that i just laugh anymore. Noise marketing at it's finest. Guy, No flame here, I couldn't agree more. Larry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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