Guest Ron (Netherlands) Posted January 8, 2009 Share #1 Posted January 8, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Is it possible to combine bellows I or II (for M and LTM cameras) with R lenses? If yes, which adapters can be used? Same question for the combination of the Visoflex I, II or III with R lenses. thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jc_braconi Posted January 8, 2009 Share #2 Posted January 8, 2009 Hello, in a first answer I will say that with the different distance from front flange to focal plane you can use V lenses on R cameras with the 14167 adapter and with the 16863 adapter you can use the heads from 3.5/65,2.8/90 & 4/135 M lenses on R bellow but not the other way. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted January 8, 2009 Share #3 Posted January 8, 2009 I think if you whish to use some R lens (for instance, the Macro 60) on a M body+Bellows II, there is the way to do it, given that : - There is an adapter to mount M lenses in front of the Bellows II (16596/UOOND, I seem... I have this item) - There is an adapter to mount R lenses on M bodies (22228 ? Something similar... I don't have it) Combining the two above ought to be make it possible to do macro with a M body and R lenses; and given that Viso II/III have the std. female M bayonet, one could also try to mount the 2nd adapter quoted above and mount directly a R lens on the Viso... of course, macro-only (no infinity focusing, clearly) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted January 8, 2009 Share #4 Posted January 8, 2009 I think if you whish to use some R lens (for instance, the Macro 60) on a M body+Bellows II, there is the way to do it, given that : - There is an adapter to mount M lenses in front of the Bellows II (16596/UOOND, I seem... I have this item) ) What kind of lens Luigi ? Combining the two above ought to be make it possible to do macro with a M body and R lenses; and given that Viso II/III have the std. female M bayonet, one could also try to mount the 2nd adapter quoted above and mount directly a R lens on the Viso... of course, macro-only (no infinity focusing, clearly) What is tthe latitude for focusing Luigi ? Thank you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted January 8, 2009 Share #5 Posted January 8, 2009 I am currently (still) building a macro set up for shooting at around 10x magnification. It is complete except for the lighting which I have just acquired (microscope fibre optic lighting) and I hope to get everything up and running within a month or two. I am using 2 x R bellows with the R extension tube system between them and a RRS plate connecting them together. On the front is a Leitz Photar and the back either uses an R-M tube (by Leica) and Visoflex with vertical finder and M8 or a Canon 1DS/5D (I could use an R body too!). The R is probably the most substantial and well built bellows that I've come across, cost SILLY money (I think less that £200 for both bellows and extension tubes) and is very, very rigid. If you are interested in a macro set up then basing it on the R bellows with adapters has a lot going for it IMHO. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted January 8, 2009 Share #6 Posted January 8, 2009 What kind of lens Luigi ? M mount in general : in its literature, Leitz detailed that with this adapter on the bellows II, you could reach enlargements to 3,2:1 with 50mm lenses and 4,7:1 with 35mm lenses (not that this has a great sense... a honest 35 mm is not a lens for strong macro... years ago I tried the old Summilux 35 in this configuration... funny and practically unusable ) What is tthe latitude for focusing Luigi ? Thank you. Who knows ? Surely 22228 (I checked, it's it) on Visoflex is a very odd combination (no surprise it was not, I think, a "officially supported" combo) but surely, with some R lens of decent focal length (I'd guess... 50 or more) it focuses near objects... surely with a terribly short range, having to count only on the lens helicoid... a strange and funny way, for instance to have a "macro 135 or 180 or 250" with R lens and M body; probably is rather easy to make some computation of enlargement ratios : after all, in math, is like having a Leicaflex-mounted R lens (M body + 22228) plus an "additional tube" with the length of the Visoflex II/III (46,5 mm ?). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted January 9, 2009 Share #7 Posted January 9, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Ron See my previous post. To add: essentially using an R lens together with a 22228 adapter (as Luigi mentioned) will allow the R lens (or indeed bellows) to be used on an M system. However with a visoflex and bellows the problem is that the minimum extension achievable means that you will be magnifying your subject substantially (as Luigi also points out), and so you will need to use lenses which are designed to allow for such photography. In essence this means using macro lenses (such as the 60 or 100) or specialist lenses such as the Photars. Using other lenses is physically perfectly possible, and they may well work, but are likely to result in reduced image quality. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ron (Netherlands) Posted January 9, 2009 Share #8 Posted January 9, 2009 Thank you all for your contributions, especially regards the adapter which was unknown to me. I am not familiar with photars, so will have a look into that also, but I suppose it comes down to micro photography? btw just ran into this interesting post: www.photomacrography.net :: View topic - More flys Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted January 10, 2009 Share #9 Posted January 10, 2009 For what I remember, Photars were made also in rather long focals (50-80-120) : I don't know if they are easy to find. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted January 10, 2009 Share #10 Posted January 10, 2009 Photars range from I think 16mm to 120mm. They have become quite sought after and can be found on ebay but often with sill prices attached to them - there are other lenses which are usable - such as enlarger lenses and these are easy to adapt to M as they are LSM. Leitz enlarger lenses can be found very cheaply indeed (tens of €s) and represent a very usable start at low cost - some Photars use very none-standard threads - I had to have an adapter made for my 50/2.8. A search on photar and macro photography in google will produce a lot of info. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted January 10, 2009 Share #11 Posted January 10, 2009 I once made an R to M adaptor for use on an M bellows by modifying an R and an M rear lens caps and gluing them together with epoxy ... somewhere I may still have it and will try and find it and post a picture Cheers dunk Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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