tommycrown Posted October 11, 2006 Share #21 Posted October 11, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Did u actually read the review or visited the link or u're just shooting at random here? Sure there are more Canon users in the forums (how not to if the product is good and everyone loves it?), but the link is, and the originally poster alluded to, a REVIEW of the PANASONIC LX2, not by forumers of dpreview, but by their founder / writer. This has nothing to do with the forums there. When the reviews praised the Nikon D2x to the skies, they were slammed for being biased. I guess u can't please everyone! Dear David, Yes I have and visit their site everyday. I actually like the way their forum is laid out. But, I find Sean's review more helpful when it comes to the Leica brand. Everyone has different taste in cameras and I totally respect that~~ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Riley Posted October 11, 2006 Share #22 Posted October 11, 2006 re: all the jaw on small sensors the F30 Fuji is using a 1/1.7" sensor is able to shoot up to iso 3,200, check it out, its impressive has clean files at 800, very useable 1,600, useable 3,200 the technology is out there to make small sensors with good iso performance happen this assists the ideal of a small camera, small lens panasonic need to get on it, and stop with the 'impresionist' art techniques to clear up noise Riley Edit: to add link Steves Digicams - Fujifilm FinePix F30 - User Review Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommycrown Posted October 11, 2006 Share #23 Posted October 11, 2006 Leica with panasonic might have been a good idea, but greater idea? Leica with Fuji!!! If and only if that Fuji F30 had a RAW functionality~~~ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted October 11, 2006 Author Share #24 Posted October 11, 2006 but greater idea? Leica with Fuji!!! That won't happen IMHO, none of Nikon, Fuji, Canon, Pentax or Olympus would need the "help" from Leica since they're all established brands in the industry, OTOH Panasonic desperately needed Leica for the rights to use Leica's trademark on a load of substandard cameras which wouldn't sell otherwise. My guess is ... Leica wanted to follow suit Zeiss's success teaming up with Sony, but they've put the wrong bet on an incompetent player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted October 11, 2006 Share #25 Posted October 11, 2006 Did u actually read the review or visited the link or u're just shooting at random here? Sure there are more Canon users in the forums (how not to if the product is good and everyone loves it?), but the link is, and the originally poster alluded to, a REVIEW of the PANASONIC LX2, not by forumers of dpreview, but by their founder / writer. This has nothing to do with the forums there. When the reviews praised the Nikon D2x to the skies, they were slammed for being biased. I guess u can't please everyone! Dude, you expect me to believe the tech review of Askey's camp... I prefer a working pro's review such as Sean Reid... the question is utility. For example, I hate pushing 5 buttons just to activate something on the menu which Cannon and Nikkon seem to like. Of course, if I wanted that exercise I would play my PSP instead. Leica has simplicity. Often Askey emphasizes too much on the tech specs of the machine but doesn't offer any ideas about how the machine works in real working conditions. Seriously if we got back to shutter speed dial and aperture rings I would be happier. Basic automatic. The best camera is a brain, not some silly custom function which you have to scan a reference card just to figure out the shebang. Ockham's razor... heard of it? Wait til you see Askey awards the "Just Recommended" to the M8. Hummmm... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted October 11, 2006 Share #26 Posted October 11, 2006 Dude, you expect me to believe the tech review of Askey's camp... I prefer a working pro's review such as Sean Reid ROFL, so you'd agree that the Canon 5D is a superb camera I suppose. Thanks for making my day <grin> Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted October 11, 2006 Share #27 Posted October 11, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Clap clap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted October 11, 2006 Share #28 Posted October 11, 2006 Well...Steve is right that I think the 5D is an outstanding camera. In fact I've been using it along side my R-D1s for over a year now and it has really proven itself to be an excellent tool for a working photographer. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
larry Posted October 11, 2006 Share #29 Posted October 11, 2006 I see no point in disparaging other brands to make oneself feel better about a product choice. All the camera manufacturers know how to make excellent equipment. Sometimes their efforts are more successful than others given the limitations of technology, available resources and target market. Being cultish about photo equipment is almost as unattractive as when gearheads argue over Chevy and Ford trucks. Photography is 90 percent about the photographer and 10 percent about the equipment. (Of course, these percentages may vary depending on the photographer.) Larry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye_a Posted October 11, 2006 Share #30 Posted October 11, 2006 I see no point in disparaging other brands to make oneself feel better about a product choice. All the camera manufacturers know how to make excellent equipment. Sometimes their efforts are more successful than others given the limitations of technology, available resources and target market. Being cultish about photo equipment is almost as unattractive as when gearheads argue over Chevy and Ford trucks. Photography is 90 percent about the photographer and 10 percent about the equipment. (Of course, these percentages may vary depending on the photographer.) Larry Ive only just got into photography, and noticed the cult phenomenon. it's weird how people are so attracted to a particular brand..... Mac vs PC, Chevy vs Ford, Ninendo vs Sony, Leica vs Canon, etc...the list never ends eh ? What ive noticed in cameras is...one camera is great for a particular situation..... macro, wide angle, portraits, low-light, etc,etc..... but no camera(P&S) takes the crown for all possible situations. And i nthat they all seem to rate around the same for the target audience imo, unless someone buys a P&S for a specific type of job naturally. So yeah..... the leica D-Lux would be just fine for it's target audience. the thing that would have made it exceptional imo, would be a bigger CCD (less noise a high ISO). Apart from that it looks like a great camera. Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobold Posted October 11, 2006 Share #31 Posted October 11, 2006 from the DPReview: "Perfect for: advanced users (particularly landscape photographers) prepared to do raw processing, who rarely if ever need to go over ISO 200" I have one, it's great. Extremely configurable (EV and fill flash EV, expecially) and the images are what you'd expect from a small sensor camera. Just a quick image from yesterday (not framed, at arm's length, 28mm). This is just a JPEG, low contrast, standard sharpening, 100 ISO, etc. I agree wih other posters that a bigger sensor with less Mp would be better, but I have to say that this thing is fun! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/6945-a-dp-review-leica-should-read-seriously/?do=findComment&comment=68587'>More sharing options...
kobold Posted October 11, 2006 Share #32 Posted October 11, 2006 And one more; this was focussed (AF) while I was looking at the LCD (left eye sharp, and this was through the window, past that security strip, and yes, you could see that in the LCD). Color mottling on OOF eye, but that's what you get with a teensy sensor. lo-rez JPEGs, to be sure, but you an see that there is detail there. Best of all, this toy does fit in your shirt pocket. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/6945-a-dp-review-leica-should-read-seriously/?do=findComment&comment=68592'>More sharing options...
FastFashnReloaded Posted October 11, 2006 Share #33 Posted October 11, 2006 Yawn... and you expect me to sing the praises of the Cannonauts? That's Cannonites. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roberth Posted October 11, 2006 Share #34 Posted October 11, 2006 Kit, great camera, I have the d-lux 2 and I find it is easy to carry around and gives wonderful results for such a small camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted October 11, 2006 Share #35 Posted October 11, 2006 from the DPReview: "Perfect for: advanced users (particularly landscape photographers) prepared to do raw processing, who rarely if ever need to go over ISO 200" I have one, it's great. Extremely configurable (EV and fill flash EV, expecially) and the images are what you'd expect from a small sensor camera. Just a quick image from yesterday (not framed, at arm's length, 28mm). This is just a JPEG, low contrast, standard sharpening, 100 ISO, etc. I agree wih other posters that a bigger sensor with less Mp would be better, but I have to say that this thing is fun! Hi Kit, So you did get one. I'm glad that you like it. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobold Posted October 12, 2006 Share #36 Posted October 12, 2006 I do like it, Sean, more than I thought I would. And because I am on the road, I have not had a chance to process any Raw images. I am sure, having looked at the JPEGs closely, that these will make fine BW images, too, as all the noise seems to be in the chroma channel. And on the chroma channel, only blue is really noisy. Here is one of the 200 I shot the day before yesterday, with plenty of shadows, with blue channed knocked out and converted to greyscale. 1/100" second, 28mm equiv., f2.8. No 5D, but looks pretty clean to me. No sharpening (standard set in camera, low contrast, low NR). Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/6945-a-dp-review-leica-should-read-seriously/?do=findComment&comment=69284'>More sharing options...
rsh Posted October 12, 2006 Share #37 Posted October 12, 2006 Sean: You appear to be the most balanced of all the reviewers. I must say that you are refreshing to read. I have used Leica almost exclusively for the past 35 years, but there are many great cameras and lenses out there. I use Leica because I am comfortable with it and I think the M8 will be great fun. I debate on and off about getting a 28, but if I were to be logical, I truly believe my current set of lenses will be just fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted October 13, 2006 Share #38 Posted October 13, 2006 available resources and target market. Being cultish about photo equipment is almost as unattractive as when gearheads argue over Chevy and Ford trucks. Photography is 90 percent about the photographer and 10 percent about the equipment. (Of course, these percentages may vary depending on the photographer.) Of course, both Chevy and Ford suck so there's no argument there. and Lousy camera = frustrated photographer = no clients. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted October 13, 2006 Share #39 Posted October 13, 2006 Sean: You appear to be the most balanced of all the reviewers. I must say that you are refreshing to read. I have used Leica almost exclusively for the past 35 years, but there are many great cameras and lenses out there. I use Leica because I am comfortable with it and I think the M8 will be great fun. I debate on and off about getting a 28, but if I were to be logical, I truly believe my current set of lenses will be just fine. Thank you very much. I agree that there are good and interesting cameras and lenses coming from all sorts of manufacturers. As I used to tell LCT on the old forum, I try to be "brand agnostic". That said, the M8 will likely be my favorite camera to date. Again, thanks for the comments. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted October 13, 2006 Share #40 Posted October 13, 2006 I do like it, Sean, more than I thought I would. And because I am on the road, I have not had a chance to process any Raw images. I am sure, having looked at the JPEGs closely, that these will make fine BW images, too, as all the noise seems to be in the chroma channel. And on the chroma channel, only blue is really noisy. Here is one of the 200 I shot the day before yesterday, with plenty of shadows, with blue channed knocked out and converted to greyscale. 1/100" second, 28mm equiv., f2.8. No 5D, but looks pretty clean to me. No sharpening (standard set in camera, low contrast, low NR). Hi Kit, Great. The reason I suggested it to you is that it seems to me to have the most to offer of all the pocket cameras out there. The Ricoh GR also has much to offer but has some significant limitations as well. The B&W files I've gotten from that little Leica are gorgeous. I'll test the new model later this fall. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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