Hot Air and Broken Promises - 2

[andybarton]

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I wonder why they close it. censorship? if this is true it's a shame. can anyone post the correct emailadress of stefan d. here so we can all send an email?

 

 

It was closed because it was developing into a slanging match, with the point of the thread having been made, IMHO, especially since Stefan Daniel had responded personally several weeks ago.

You can obtain the email address of Herr Daniel via Leica.

[marknorton]

Yes, I agree, it was never my intention to have this turn into a slanging match and all opinions are valid.

 

To be clear, I'm not saying Leica should provide this function on cameras with the original shutter, or even provide it free, but it should at least be available to upgraded cameras.

 

Soon, I will have my own hardware solution integrated into the camera (just waiting for the circuit board to be made), but I worry that this is the first of a series of upgrades to the M8 which, for purely marketing reasons are restricted to the M8.2, which goes against the philosophy of the much-trumpeted upgrade program.

 

For those of you who say "All companies do this", well, I don't and mine doesn't.

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[jaapv]

I'm not saying "all companies do this" I'm saying that it is a sad fact that there is a difference between firm commitments and marketing claims. Much as this is regrettable, it is something we must bear in mind.

[LUF Admin]

I wonder why they close it. censorship? if this is true it's a shame. can anyone post the correct emailadress of stefan d. here so we can all send an email?

 

I think the censorship topic was explained.

Regarding publishing email addresses: Please read the forum rules!

 

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[terrycioni]

It was closed because it was developing into a slanging match, with the point of the thread having been made, IMHO, especially since Stefan Daniel had responded personally several weeks ago.

 

You can obtain the email address of Herr Daniel via Leica.

 

Andy,

 

I missed Mr. Daniel's response - could you point me to it. I have searched but no luck so far.

 

Best regards. Terry

[marknorton]

Terry,

 

It's here: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/696317-post106.html

[dalippe]

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Putting aside the issue of whether Leica is acting fairly or not, the Leica strategy reminds me of something I've been told IBM used to do decades ago when they dominated the mainframe and mini-computer markets. They would typically offer a few versions of any computer, with different performance. But unbeknownst to most of their customers, all the computers had identical hardware. The difference was in the compilers, where the slower models shipped with compilers that inserted no-ops (instructions that take time but do nothing) into the otherwise optimized, compiled code. This was back in the day where the only available compiler was the one that shipped with the computer.

 

Again putting aside the question of what Leica owes us, one advantage of making the firmware upgrade available to all (possibly for a price) is that it would decouple the decisions regarding the new shutter and the delayed re-cock. I like the faster (1/8000) shutter but would also like the delayed re-cock. I'd be happy to pay for the firmware option, but the current strategy of offering it only in the M8.2 makes it impossible to have the old shutter and the delayed re-cock without re-engineering the camera as Mark is doing.

 

David

[marknorton]

What you say about IBM is true. I used to develop supermarket checkout scanning systems and the in-store computer system came in two models, slow and unbelievably slow. The very slow one had a soaker task on one of the interrupt levels so that higher priority interrupts like disk I/O were unchanged while the application running on the lowest interrupt level was impacted and ran exactly 1/3 of the speed of the faster machine.

 

If the hapless user spent thousands to upgrade, the engineer came along with a packet containing just a jumper. Installing it disabled the soaker task and, magically, the machine started to run at three times the speed.

[tomasis7]

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[tomasis7]

something to read above if anybody want sue company. Some good exercise for Americans?

 

I wonder if Lee who sued Leica, got money? Who knows about the result? Im glad Lee kicked out. Best Buy and Leica lol

[terrycioni]

Terry,

 

It's here: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/696317-post106.html

 

 

Thanks Mark.

 

Best regards. Terry.

[marknorton]

Do you think this is a "prognostic" statement?

 

"With the introduction of a perpetual upgrade program, every LEICA M8 is a high-quality digital camera, in which today's and tomorrow's users will always be able to incorporate the latest refinements and developments in handling ease and technology."

 

Sounds a bit more certain than "anticipate", "assume", "think", "estimate", "expect", "intend", "can/could", "plan", "project", "should", doesn't it?

[tomasis7]

why dont we believe politicians when we have to believe words of former CEO who was simply KICKED out by his ass?

 

small companies doing filthy business or honest? One thing is sure that companies cannot be honest enough as one individual like Mark. Especially when communication didnt work? like it happened Lee? We need that event into the account. Unfortunately everything is politics.

 

How about sue former politicians, presidents for broken promises? There a lot to do, a bunch of lawyers.

 

I really understand Mark's concern but I rather see actions than empty words. I love to run computer above default speed (overclocking) and Im waiting to see what you do with M8 for further modifications. It is more exciting such as hacking. Create new thread about your "new" camera

[dalippe]

something to read above if anybody want sue company. Some good exercise for Americans?

 

I wonder if Lee who sued Leica, got money? Who knows about the result? Im glad Lee kicked out. Best Buy and Leica lol

 

Does it really help your case to aim a sarcastic remark at 300,000,000 people, most of whom you know nothing about, just for the hell of it? As I've asked others on this forum in the past, would you even consider publicly writing something like that about Jewish people? About Chinese people? I suspect you would not, and the same sense of decency should have prevented you from writing what you did.

[tomasis7]

Prognostic statements are characterized by words such as

 

"With the introduction of a perpetual upgrade program, every LEICA M8 is a high-quality digital camera, in which today's and tomorrow's users will always be able to incorporate the latest refinements and developments in handling ease and technology."

 

If we can see it as prognostic statements, why not? because it didnt happened at the moment when the text was released. When someone say that something is going happen, it is a prognosis after all. We cannot be sure if it is gonna rain tommorow

[tomasis7]

Does it really help your case to aim a sarcastic remark at 300,000,000 people, most of whom you know nothing about, just for the hell of it? As I've asked others on this forum in the past, would you even consider publicly writing something like that about Jewish people? About Chinese people? I suspect you would not, and the same sense of decency should have prevented you from writing what you did.

 

Too bad you cannot take my joke Sue me if you can

[dalippe]

Too bad you cannot take my joke Sue me if you can

You didn't answer my question. Would you have publicly made that "joke" about either of the two groups I mentioned? If not, what is the difference? If so, that tell us all we need to know.

[tomasis7]

You didn't answer my question. Would you have publicly made that "joke" about either of the two groups I mentioned?

 

What lawyers have to do with other groups? Take a tea drink and relax.

[dalippe]

What lawyers have to do with other groups? Take a tea drink and relax.

 

That is what holds you back? So if it turns out that the fraction of Jews who are lawyers is higher than the fraction of Americans who are lawyers, you will gladly make an anti-semitic "joke"??? I hope you see what a ridiculous position you are taking. Why don't you just apologize and move on?

 

BTW, not useful to suggest caffeine as a way to relax...

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[tomasis7]

That is what holds you back? So if it turns out that the fraction of Jews who are lawyers is higher than the fraction of Americans who are lawyers, you will gladly make an anti-semitic "joke"??? I hope you see what a ridiculous position you are taking. Why don't you just apologize and move on?

 

BTW, not useful to suggest caffeine as a way to relax...

 

did you took much coffeine? I drink only green tea your text shows that you need cut down coffeine.

 

If you believe that I adress to all Americans when we talk about people who are concerned about M8, it is nothing to do except pointing out a rough misunderstanding.

 

cheers from a world citizen.