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2.0 firmware and old SD cards funkiness

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First I would really like to know if the change in operation/workflow is the same for everyone or if it is a weird 'bug' in my specific case (e.g. a persistent installation error of some sort).

 

At present the only option I see is to not use the consequetive numbering at all (just switch to standard) and rename the files on my computer after transfer. If you are using multiple cards this is not going to be very convenient. Why should I have to do the admin manually if the camera should (and previously could) do it for me?

 

Am I the only one using the C1LE transfer wizard? I would find that surprising.

Well as I pointed out in a post above, "IF I delete images on my PC THEN FORMAT the card IN the CAMERA, BEFORE I TAKE ANOTHER SHOT, the numbering continues from the last shot taken" (sorry for the CAPS but I am trying to make a point). BUT when deleting images on the computer I AM LEAVING the DCIM and 100LEICA folder on the card.

If this doesn't work for you check to see if the DCIM and 100LEICA folders is still on the card after C1 deletes the images. Could be C1 is deleting everything on the card and this new firmware writes a hidden file, or something, to the card and when those folders are gone it doesn't know where to start.

It seems the V2 FW is a brand new start, a total Re-Write of the FW. That is why you can't go back.

Just for the Auto ISO I would still load this firmware. It hasn't changed my camera workflow one bit. I know that is not the case with you but I think you said you format in the camera anyway so why not just go with the flow and stop deleting image after download. That doesn't seem so hard to get your head around, does it?

 

I don't use C1 for much. I haven't opened it in months and it's not even installed on my main image editing PC. I do have it installed on my older PC just incase I feel like using it, but I haven't.

So no I've never used the wizard in C1 to get image from my cards to the computer. I don't use the one in LR2 either. I do use what comes with PS CS3/Bridge2 to transfer images, Adobe Photo Downloader. That can run as a separate program and gives me the options of where to place the images, what folder to place them in or to create a new folder with date, whether to rename them on download and whether to open Bridge or not once the download is complete.

 

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In response to Erl.

I do use the number the camera assigns. I just find it easier then renaming them and this way I know what shot came from what body.

I guess I could rename them and keep the original number. I thnk APDer allows that but I've never done it.

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Shootist, clearly different people have different workflows etc. that is clear. Concerning the points you mention:

The C1LE transfer wizard leaves the folder structure intact - it only deletes the DNG files in the 100LEICA subfolder. Deleting the DNGs in the card reader manually (leaving the folder structure intact) has the same effect i.e. frame numbering starts from scratch.

 

I agree that the Auto-ISO and SDHC compatiblity is major improvement.

 

Why not just go with the flow and stop deleting image after download. That doesn't seem so hard to get your head around, does it?

 

I am perfectly able to deal with the new situation but what I find depressing is that the continuous numbering change FOR ME is an example of Leica failing to stick to the trusted principle: If it aint broke don't fix it. I fail to see how the new method of continuous numbering would be considered an improvement.

 

Erl: Thanks for the tips. I might try that. My numbering system is however very simple, I keep the L100xxxx.DNG file name and distibute the files to folders with a name (and sequence nr.) that I can use to identify the images easly. A folder name might be '0056 DNG pictures of cats to keep imants happy 5026-5041' a folder with a similar name located elsewhere would contain the jpegs that I decided to process from DNG.

 

So it appears I need to consider a different method of working unless/until Leica gives us an improved version FW 2.001 to install.

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I am perfectly able to deal with the new situation but what I find depressing is that the continuous numbering change FOR ME is an example of Leica failing to stick to the trusted principle: If it aint broke don't fix it. I fail to see how the new method of continuous numbering would be considered an improvement.

 

Agree. Leica has always been a little buggy. Maybe back with the III and the M3 they had it together, maybe the M4 also. But since then there are always little quirks to every model they have ever produced.

Can't wait to see what users of the S2 say. Oh Boy.

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Agree. Leica has always been a little buggy. Maybe back with the III and the M3 they had it together, maybe the M4 also. But since then there are always little quirks to every model they have ever produced.

Amen to that! Remember when we complained about how hard it was to load a Leica film camera?

 

I upgraded my firmware even though all my cards are SD. So far I haven't had a problem. (I always reformat in the camera.)

 

I ordered some SDHC cards from Amazon. I'll see what happens with them.

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Amen to that! Remember when we complained about how hard it was to load a Leica film camera?

 

I upgraded my firmware even though all my cards are SD. So far I haven't had a problem. (I always reformat in the camera.)

 

 

I ordered some SDHC cards from Amazon. I'll see what happens with them.

 

 

Same here for two bodies, just renumbered L100XXX and L200XXX. JPEG with less green dominance; ISO 1250 improved; AWB too.

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Same here for two bodies, just renumbered L100XXX and L200XXX. JPEG with less green dominance; ISO 1250 improved; AWB too.

So you're saying the JPG's look better with V2 FW? Don't shot JPG's except as B&W so I wouldn't know about that. But maybe I'll give them a go just to see.

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.. SO SHOULD I UPGRADE MY M8 to ver 2.0???[/size][/b] ...

 

If it helps your indecision, I have not decided yet. Waiting won't hurt, right?

 

I'm reading these threads with great interest and send my thanks to the trailblazers.

 

I have 2 M8's, one of which is going in for service. When it comes back, it may have the upgrade on it; if not, I will upgrade one of the two.

 

Man, I hate new stuff when there is no going back.

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When I read that there's no going back if 2.0 is buggy, I decided not to boldly go where no man has gone before. I would be eager to use high-capacity cards if the M8 could write files in true 16-bit and the DNGs were double the size as they are in the DMR (which, unless I'm mistaken, will never be able to take SDHC cards?). 180 shots on a card is not an inconvenience to me. That's the equivalent of 5 36-exp film changes. And the wimpy M8 battery doesn't last much more than a 2GB card anyway. Oh, right, the auto-ISO...yawn.

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Could be C1 is deleting everything on the card and this new firmware writes a hidden file, or something, to the card and when those folders are gone it doesn't know where to start.

 

I looked for any special files that the M8 may have written to the card, but didn't see anything of the sort, just the DCIM and XXXLEICA folders. I think the renumbering is simply a bug in the firmware.

 

Otherwise, I see no reason not to upgrade to 2.0: 4 gigabyte SDHC cards are cheap, and a fully charged battery should last long enough for you to fill up to 3/4 of it.

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I haven't have a chance to really flex out the new firmware yet but right off the bat - the frame counter has problems. Even after a new format of the card (1gig SanDisk) the counter always starts off in simple jpeg mode, i.e., around 263 frames left...even when the camera is set for DNG+jpeg or whatever. If I format the card again, or take a shot then the counter starightens out and shows around 72 frames left. If I turn off the camera and restart, then it's back to 263 or so until I shoot a frame...

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I think the renumbering is simply a bug in the firmware.

Ah at last someone agrees with me :D

 

Then the firmware should have been debuggered a bit more thoroughly by Leica before launching it on us. Ah well I guess they will fix it sometime.

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Well that cinches it. I'm not updating with 2.0. I'll wait for 2.01 or whatever...and at that, not until a bunch of eager beavers swim across before me. Nothing in 2.0 I really give a hoot for, let alone can't live without. Finally I've got my M8s with acceptable auto-WB and everything works well...I'm not going try to fix what's not broken.

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If it helps your indecision, I have not decided yet. Waiting won't hurt, right?

 

I'm reading these threads with great interest and send my thanks to the trailblazers.

 

I have 2 M8's, one of which is going in for service. When it comes back, it may have the upgrade on it; if not, I will upgrade one of the two.

 

Man, I hate new stuff when there is no going back.

 

Hi I will wait too!

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The continuous numbering problem I mentioned above is partially solved if you format the card in the camera after you have transferred & deleted. If you do not format the card in the camera it starts at 0001.

 

See here as well.

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One good news is that, camera formats the cards in a fraction of the time it used to take with the previous firmware.

 

Seyhun

 

The old firmware took forever to format cards . What have readers been experiencing (in time) formatting w/ FW 2.0

The reason I ask , is I am having serious issues as state by other posters above . Mycards were always formatted in camera . When I format now , I get the dialogue box , select yes, press set , and with absolutely no time delay (and I have to stress no time delay) the card is proportedly formatted.

What have others experienced.

 

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The old firmware took forever to format cards . What have readers been experiencing (in time) formatting w/ FW 2.0

The reason I ask , is I am having serious issues as state by other posters above . Mycards were always formatted in camera . When I format now , I get the dialogue box , select yes, press set , and with absolutely no time delay (and I have to stress no time delay) the card is proportedly formatted.

What have others experienced.

 

PeterP

Right that is how it works now. I have noticed longer times with larger and slower cards.

I mainly use 2GB Lexar Pro 133x cards but have also bought 1 4GB Sandisk class 6 card, I think it is 133x/20MBs card, and a Transcend 8GB card that is supposedly a class 6 card but I think it is only a 15MBs card. The formatting of the 8GB card takes slightly longer then the 2GB cards I have and the 1 4GB card. Hard to tell if the 4GB takes any longer then the 2GB cards.

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Right that is how it works now. I have noticed longer times with larger and slower cards.

I mainly use 2GB Lexar Pro 133x cards but have also bought 1 4GB Sandisk class 6 card, I think it is 133x/20MBs card, and a Transcend 8GB card that is supposedly a class 6 card but I think it is only a 15MBs card. The formatting of the 8GB card takes slightly longer then the 2GB cards I have and the 1 4GB card. Hard to tell if the 4GB takes any longer then the 2GB cards.

 

What would you estimate in seconds on a 2GB card , or is it micro-seconds??

 

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