andybarton Posted September 30, 2006 Share #1 Posted September 30, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Still unsupported despite a System Update and a .5 increment in Aperture. As I was waiting for Mrs B, who was spending a very long time in the Ladies Department in a well know department store, I was wondering whether it would be possible to hack/write one's own plug-in thing to get the camera and the DNGs recognised. Any thoughts? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guy_mancuso Posted September 30, 2006 Share #2 Posted September 30, 2006 Andy it is there loss is all i can really say, I already did my bitching to there top dogs and if they want to lose all the new M8 customers than there just being for lack of a better word stupid. After completely switching system to Mac it is depressing that i can't even use it but lightroom is looking pretty good if you want a full package software like that. just need to find a good cataloging package Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmsr Posted September 30, 2006 Share #3 Posted September 30, 2006 It doesn't support the Nikon D80 that I just got for the wife either, while C1 and Lightroom support the D80, my D200, and my soon to be M8. I'm a Mac user also, and find Lightroom faster than Aperture. Once I really start to play Lightroom more than Aperture, I'll probably never go back to Aperture. It doesn't support two of our three cameras. I don't want to learn one program and then change to learn a second one. Lightroom and C1 for me. Ray Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted September 30, 2006 Author Share #4 Posted September 30, 2006 Andy it is there loss is all i can really say, I already did my bitching to there top dogs and if they want to lose all the new M8 customers than there just being for lack of a better word stupid. After completely switching system to Mac it is depressing that i can't even use it but lightroom is looking pretty good if you want a full package software like that. just need to find a good cataloging package Well, it's my loss of £220 too... Not sure that I have 6 months to devote to learning how to use the software either - it almost looks as if they bought it in from somewhere else. Intuitive it ain't. I assume that you have tried iView Media Pro (shame about them selling out...) Extensis Portfolio is pretty good on the Mac too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted September 30, 2006 Share #5 Posted September 30, 2006 Did not realize you bought it and yes that is not fun. i need to look at Iview pro, do need some catalog software . It's a mess trying to find stuff on many different drives. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted September 30, 2006 Share #6 Posted September 30, 2006 Andy it is there loss is all i can really say, I already did my bitching to there top dogs and if they want to lose all the new M8 customers than there just being for lack of a better word stupid. After completely switching system to Mac it is depressing that i can't even use it but lightroom is looking pretty good if you want a full package software like that. just need to find a good cataloging package Agree that it is stupid to ignore DMR and M8 in Aperture! I would have really needed that, because of the very outstanding features of Aperture with regards to workflow and storage and backup. Having said that I am not sure if Apple really cares and so maybe it is better to switch bacj to D2X (which I own as well) again. Because post production SW is meanwhile at least as important as the camera and lenses. Peter Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted September 30, 2006 Share #7 Posted September 30, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) It doesn't support the Nikon D80 that I just got for the wife either, while C1 and Lightroom support the D80, my D200, and my soon to be M8. I'm a Mac user also, and find Lightroom faster than Aperture. Once I really start to play Lightroom more than Aperture, I'll probably never go back to Aperture. It doesn't support two of our three cameras. I don't want to learn one program and then change to learn a second one. Lightroom and C1 for me. Ray The reason I do not like Lightroom is, that I used PS CS2 with DMR DNG and it made everytime a 10MB file out of the 19MB file when importing into PS2. So I do not understand why this is and I also do not understand why this loss of data. And I did not find a way to get rid of it. So I assume that Lightroom does the same and I am not willing to loose any data/information of my precious Leica files. I hoped that Aperture would work with Leica DNG and so could have solved the problem. Peter Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael-IIIf Posted September 30, 2006 Share #8 Posted September 30, 2006 As I was waiting for Mrs B, who was spending a very long time in the Ladies Department in a well know department store, I was wondering whether it would be possible to hack/write one's own plug-in thing to get the camera and the DNGs recognised. I don't see why not. Following instructions on another forum I managed to 'persuade' iSync to happily deal with my cell phone despite Apple not supporting it. It was a simple job of opening the Package Contents of iSync and navigating until one found the phone descriptions, then duplicating a similar model's details, opening that file and running a find-and-replace on all instances of the phone's model number. I don't have Aperture to try it on, but I'm sure the principles are the same. (Me and the missus were in Marks 'n Sparks as well today) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted September 30, 2006 Share #9 Posted September 30, 2006 I cannot understand why Apple does not support DNG files. I think it would be very, very easy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arminw Posted October 1, 2006 Share #10 Posted October 1, 2006 I just upgraded to Aperture v. 1.5 and I was able to open a DNG file .... ! I m positive that it shouldn't be a problem to work with the M8 and Aperture. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsteve Posted October 1, 2006 Share #11 Posted October 1, 2006 I just upgraded to Aperture v. 1.5 and I was able to open a DNG file .... ! I m positive that it shouldn't be a problem to work with the M8 and Aperture. Was it a DNG from a DMR or M8? In most programs, if they support the RAW of the camera, they will also support a DNG created from this cameras RAW. In other words, it the camera is not on the list of supported cameras, converting the cameras RAW file into a DNG will not allow the program to open the files, whether they are in RAW or DNG. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsteve Posted October 1, 2006 Share #12 Posted October 1, 2006 Still unsupported despite a System Update and a .5 increment in Aperture. As I was waiting for Mrs B, who was spending a very long time in the Ladies Department in a well know department store, I was wondering whether it would be possible to hack/write one's own plug-in thing to get the camera and the DNGs recognised. Any thoughts? Andy: I was talking to a graphic designer last week and he was using Aperture. When he got one of the latest Pentax digitals, which was not supported, he said he edited the "P-List" or something like that to enable the RAW to be opened by Aperture. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghindle Posted October 2, 2006 Share #13 Posted October 2, 2006 I am another who wasted the cash on Aperture seeign that it supported DNG. As others have said the approach that Aperture takes is to use the OS camera support. Currently Apple do not support Leica DMR Dng format. At one stage i thought of trying to clone another camera, but I recently saw a dvd ( courtesy of Luminous landscape), which went through the construction of a phase 1 back, in which they sadi in their raw format they store calibration information unique to each back, which is used in the software conversion. We dont know waht additional informationm Leica store in the file, that would be lost when you copied another camera. I believe that you might lose, or not be able to provide an accurate conversion of the DNG file. I have persevered with Aperture by using C1 for raw conversion to TIFF and storing those in Aperture and hoping that the 'next release' of the OS would support Leica, but I have now given up. You are better off using Capture 1 and Lightroom. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael-IIIf Posted October 2, 2006 Share #14 Posted October 2, 2006 Andy: I was talking to a graphic designer last week and he was using Aperture. When he got one of the latest Pentax digitals, which was not supported, he said he edited the "P-List" or something like that to enable the RAW to be opened by Aperture. If someone will 'loan' me a copy of Aperture I'll try editing the plist for you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted October 2, 2006 Author Share #15 Posted October 2, 2006 I just upgraded to Aperture v. 1.5 and I was able to open a DNG file .... ! I m positive that it shouldn't be a problem to work with the M8 and Aperture. I see that you use a Digilux 2. These write their files in a Panasonic format, unsurprisingly, and are supported. DMRs and M8s have chips made by Kodak and it is the files produced by these chips which are unsupported. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhoutman Posted October 2, 2006 Share #16 Posted October 2, 2006 I am no expert on this but for me C1 would be the first choice as it is not demanding the latest top notch Macintosh; my current G4 will do. Andy, don't worry about losing the GPB 220,00 as it would be another excuse for Mrs. B to visit the very same Ladies Department in a well know department store Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinA Posted October 2, 2006 Share #17 Posted October 2, 2006 Apple not supporting DNG is a mistake that must be put right sooner rather than later. The reason being is that it is a fantastic program, easily the most productive program I have ever bought. It really is not difficult to use, a day or two will have you using it and then you will find better ways to do things to refine your workflow as time goes by. Lightroom is not half the program Aperture is in ability other than the Dng thing. If all you need is something that takes a raw file and produces tiffs and jpg's then it's an overkill. If you need to keep track of images and clients you send images to it's the Bee's Knees or the Muts Nuts. Smart folders are brilliant, auto sorting as you go, making a new Album for a client request with relative images takes no space up, those images can be in severall folders and they don't take up storage space, no longer do I need to make a low res to email as a sample, then remake a high res from the same file a week or two later. The conversion is good to. By all means bash Apple good and proper for poor Dng support, but not for the quality of this program Kevin. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arminw Posted October 3, 2006 Share #18 Posted October 3, 2006 Sorry for the late reply! I need to add that I have also updated My OS to MAC OSX 10.4.8 and then Aperture to 1.5. As Apple addressed several RAW issues and better support. I downloaded the test DNG file shot with a Leica M8, which has been posted on several forum sites. It's a picture of a lady at Photokina in cologne. Aperture has changed a lot in terms of file support, and this new version is certainly an important update to enjoy the application more then ever. Having said that, it does need a very fast computer to run it. Where we are now with Aperture is for me the version it should have been when it was first introduced. However, better late then never.... Leica seems to have the same philosophy Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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