J Mitchum Posted September 25, 2006 Share #1 Posted September 25, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Sigma will be announcing their "14 megapixel" P&S camera tomorrow featuring an APS sized sensor. It has a 28mm f4 lens but sadly no viewfinder and no hot shoe. Still, in terms of image quality it should blow away any other P&S on the market. It also shows there is no reason not to put a large sensor in a P&S camera. LINK First the GR-D from Ricoh and now this. We're not there yet but getting closer. If someone could just combine the two. Come on Leica, give us a digital CM. You have no more excuses! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 25, 2006 Posted September 25, 2006 Hi J Mitchum, Take a look here Sigma DP1. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
albertwang Posted September 25, 2006 Share #2 Posted September 25, 2006 Wow, could this be the Minilux Digital? Okay, this needs both RAW and jpeg... that way it is professional. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
humanized_form Posted September 25, 2006 Share #3 Posted September 25, 2006 wow. a nice suprise. i will consider this digicam if the size is smallish. though i would rather see a fixed 35mm equivalent lens with a manual focus ring. kevin Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted September 25, 2006 Share #4 Posted September 25, 2006 It's hard for me to get excited about anything this company does. They are the ones who fell flat on their faces with the foveon sensor. That sensor had more promise than anything I've seen in digital imaging in the last 10 years. Foveon - Direct Image Sensors Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted September 25, 2006 Share #5 Posted September 25, 2006 Perhaps there would be a foveon in the upcoming m9? That would be interesting for sure. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted September 25, 2006 Share #6 Posted September 25, 2006 This could be an interesting camera with a hotshoe for a finder glued on. Thanks for the heads-up. Cheers, Sean Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted September 25, 2006 Share #7 Posted September 25, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Nice camera. This is the most promising compact camera I have seen (in terms of image quality). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokysun Posted September 25, 2006 Share #8 Posted September 25, 2006 this is really interesting. with a slave flash it might work for most situations. if i read the german right it does have raw and promises fast writing. any idea how much? (maybe we'll know tomorrow.) also it does have the foveon sensor, and sigma pics with this sensor look pretty nice, at least online. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterb Posted September 26, 2006 Share #9 Posted September 26, 2006 Here's the DP1 along with the Ricoh GR D for comparison. The Ricoh GR D, is a a rugged, well designed magnesium clad wonder with a hotshoe for mounting a 28mm finder as Sean R suggested in his fabulous review of it. The sensor, however, is a 1/1.8" chip with 8 million pixels crammed onto it. That puts each pixel at around 0.0000047122 square millimeters in area. The lens is quite good. But the noise reduction softens the images a tad too much in their attempt to mimmick, I suppose, film. RAW, unfortunately, takes an eternity to write so while it is an option, in practical terms of regular shooting, it really isn't. Images aren't really all that bad, but when I used the camera, the images weren't to my liking. And, in fact, with some encouragement from reading another of Sean's essays I bit the RAW bullet and bought the Panasonic LX1 and have been more than pleased ever since. Build quality of the new Sigma P/S remains to be seen although the picture from the link that J Mitchum provided looks promising. And as Sean R pointed out, attaching a finder is certainly doable. If the 14 Mp APS C sized Foveon chip measuring, say, 21.5 mm x 14.4 mm like the Sony sensor, is true, that would translate to 3 identical silcon layers (no bayer necessary) of 4,666,667 pixels per layer at, 0.0000663429 square millimeters per pixel which is not too shabby. (To give you an idea of the significance of this, the area of each pixel on the Canon 5D comes in at 0.0000649624 sq. mm while on the new M8 the area per pixel is 0.0000471845 sq mm!) All of which would translate to very high resolution and very low noise at high ISO's presumably. (The Foveon track record, however, hasn't been all that great in the ISO department so hopefully some improvements have been made since the SD9 and SD10 made their debuts.) Sigma;s digital efforts in the past (read their SD9 and SD10 cameras), while with mixed reviews, did suffer from the fact that the primary output was the Foveon proprietary .xf3 RAW format but apparently Sigma's RAW processing software was quite good. Still, it's a shame the lens is only f4. The Ricoh was a speedy f2.8. Of course, all of this is speculation. And hopefully someone like Sean R would put it through one of his rigorous and thoughful reviews so we can get the real lowdown on it. IWhile the web tease of the SD14 certainly got my attention, I'm now looking forward to this rather surprising new development. P Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/5985-sigma-dp1/?do=findComment&comment=58329'>More sharing options...
Bob Ross Posted September 26, 2006 Share #10 Posted September 26, 2006 Wow, could this be the Minilux Digital? Okay, this needs both RAW and jpeg... that way it is professional. Apparently Sigma is finally adding JPEG with these two new models. Bob Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradreiman Posted September 26, 2006 Share #11 Posted September 26, 2006 what am i missing? this has what to do with leica? sigma who? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted September 26, 2006 Share #12 Posted September 26, 2006 This is related to leica because it is the digital camera that leica failed to build... so sigma wins for a minilux replacement. Think of this as the Minilux digital. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradreiman Posted September 26, 2006 Share #13 Posted September 26, 2006 bollocks-go to dpreview or sumthin Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted September 26, 2006 Share #14 Posted September 26, 2006 Some of us prefer a comprehensive insight from Leica supporters, so I am staying here with my bullocks and I will wait until the cows come in Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Mitchum Posted September 26, 2006 Author Share #15 Posted September 26, 2006 A lot of us want Leica to compete in this market. We are making our voices heard. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davephoto Posted September 26, 2006 Share #16 Posted September 26, 2006 A lot of us want Leica to compete in this market. We are making our voices heard. agreed. is it not possible for a manufacturer to produce a fixed focal length camera with the 35mm equivalent of a 40 to 50mm lens? i personally shoot more at that focal length than at the wide end. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted September 26, 2006 Share #17 Posted September 26, 2006 I´d prefer a p&s with a 2.o or 2.8/28 or 35mm (equivalent 35!). And they should add a dust and rain-proof body like my loved Yashica T3 has. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted September 26, 2006 Share #18 Posted September 26, 2006 The bastards read my mind I need one of these for my colour( autochrome) experiments Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted September 26, 2006 Share #19 Posted September 26, 2006 Why do they all look the same. Probably use all the same bits anyway. None of them are substatntially different enough to be any better than the other in practical use. Its all just pick a brand use it for a bit get rid of it next year. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted September 26, 2006 Share #20 Posted September 26, 2006 Do they come in pink....No hang on....I want a Mooondrain. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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