vic vic Posted September 25, 2006 Share #1 Posted September 25, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) http://www.sinar.ch/ please get to this website... 1. leica get into the bussensees with sinar/janoptics. 2. new camera made with rollei (franke&heidecke these days) under the sinar brand... it looks like a modernized rollei 6008 things getting really serious as it seems to me. good news.. im really looking forward. a pity that i gave up on visiting at fotokina :-)))) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 25, 2006 Posted September 25, 2006 Hi vic vic, Take a look here leica, sinar, rollei (franke&heideke), janoptics ... now bundeled :-)). I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Guest chris_h Posted September 25, 2006 Share #2 Posted September 25, 2006 ... and some Zeiss lenses too ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic vic Posted September 25, 2006 Author Share #3 Posted September 25, 2006 ah, thats rite... the zeiss lens are new for the sinar-m camera. they supposed to be optimized for digi backs now. but the lens on the new h6? camera (like rollei) seems a little different... maybe only the housing of the lens... optically they they should be the same :-))) now im really intrested to see those news from rollei side :-)))))) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted September 25, 2006 Share #4 Posted September 25, 2006 Looks to me like this is really an ACM business decision (ACM owns 85% of Leica, so now they own 85% of 51% of Sinar ). Sinar is Swiss, Leica's CEO is Swiss, ACM is Austrian. Seems like Leica will eventually run the camera building/selling operations for both brands, Jenoptik will do the digital hardware for both brands, Franke & Heidecke (Rollei) will have some involvement (are they buying the Rollei name back from Samsung?) I sense an interesting 3-way chess game going on for the imaging industry in Europe: ACM/Leica/Sinar/Jenoptik/Rollei vs. the Hassy/Imacon/Fuji consortium vs. Carl Zeiss/Cosina. The "keiretsu" concept comes to the Alps. I think it is a good thing Leica is acquiring (literally) some technological partners. It will be interesting to see if something unique comes out of all this - say, a "real" digital Rollei TLR, or MF Leica lens designs for the Sinar. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted September 25, 2006 Share #5 Posted September 25, 2006 I sense an interesting 3-way chess game going on for the imaging industry in Europe: ACM/Leica/Sinar/Jenoptik/Rollei vs. the Hassy/Imacon/Fuji consortium vs. Carl Zeiss/Cosina. The "keiretsu" concept comes to the Alps. /QUOTE] Correction is: ACM/Leica/Sinar/Jenoptik/Rollei/Panasonic versus Carl Zeiss/Cosina/Sony Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic vic Posted September 25, 2006 Author Share #6 Posted September 25, 2006 andy - oh ya , indeed... we have a new map here - no doubt about it. i dont know where it goes exactly - but the direction is there as u say. oh please... no digital tlr... i mean - i can understand the m digital camera (m8) and i may even buy it myself soon, but no rollei tlr - keep the dignity of that photography untouched - keep it where it is :-)))))) it is really intresting to me i have to say on personal note.... im very much into the medium format digital transition very soon. i dont like the hasselblad h camera (im femilar with it, the output is great, even the h1 tat i know.. but still couldnot be attached to it). i dont like the sinar m - neber seen it live, but it seems to me like enlarged dslr. so more natural choice for me was rollei 6008 to attach to it the digi back. now i see intresting things happening :-)))) nad indeed - very good news about leica too :-)))) and ya, rollei medium format cameras now made by franke&heidecke company, as if nothing happened - only the owners and bussiness name changed, and now new partnerships and new products Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted September 25, 2006 Share #7 Posted September 25, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) I will just take a MF with leica glass now please. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic vic Posted September 25, 2006 Author Share #8 Posted September 25, 2006 oh albert - a bit more complicated... dont forget the hasselblad fuji.. dont forget that zeiss makes lenses for sinar/rollei... dont forget that schneider and rodenstok/linos are deep in this bussness as well. indded - most of the rollei lenses are schneider made... also dont forget that schneider and linos are most progressive in the feild of digital optics design :-)))))) but im not worried too much about those cooperations - the new products and new options are good as i can see:-) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted September 25, 2006 Share #9 Posted September 25, 2006 oh please... no digital tlr... i mean - i can understand the m digital camera (m8) and i may even buy it myself soon, but no rollei tlr - keep the dignity of that photography untouched - keep it where it is :-)))))) Sorry but I disagree. My lil toy doesn't cut it! a digital TLR would be ideal. Medium format quality in a small package. I would take that over a M8 anytime! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micheal Posted September 26, 2006 Share #10 Posted September 26, 2006 Albert, Abstract thread. Was actually doing a web search fo an original Rolli wide angle TLR yesterday. I certainly preferred my Rollei as opposed to the Hasseblad 500C I traded it for, Michael Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_f Posted September 26, 2006 Share #11 Posted September 26, 2006 And here is the press release from JENOPTIK Laser, Optik, Systeme GmbH: http://www.jenoptik-los.de/cms.php?NEWSID=445&pageid=67&lang=1 For all Jenoptik press releases, see Press Releases (BTW, there is a another release about a deal between Kodak/Leaf and Jenoptik) I always had great respect for Sinar view cameras. The Sinar P was the first "yaw-free" view camera. When Sinar's patent expired several years ago, everyone in the view camera business hurried to copy their design. Often copied but then never equalled. A bit like the Leica ... About a possible connection between Rollei and Jenoptik, the only link I could find was this Sinar news release about a cooperation with Franke & Heidecke regarding the new Sinar Hy6: "The perfect blending of Innovation and Practice. Sinar Hy6 represents the beginning of a new era of digital medium-format photography. Evolving from a technical cooperation between Sinar and Franke & Heidecke, it is a leap forward in innovation that is bound to revolutionize medium-format photography work for many years to come. To cite just two examples: The Sinar Hy6 is currently the only 6x6 cm medium-format camera with 6x4.5 cm capability, so that it can be used for vertical and horizontal as well as square photographs.." Ref: Sinar A very good website on the (complicated!) history of Rollei and Franke & Heidecke: Rollei camera - The history Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic vic Posted September 26, 2006 Author Share #12 Posted September 26, 2006 john... ya, very good news indeed... about sinar... no doubt - simply no doubt that it is masterpeice in its field, althoug i myself dontr have sinars. i love linhofs much more, but33true sinar is as good as linhof, and for some stuff maybe even better. about rollei and sinar/janoptics... well, it is not new and it is not from the new hy6 camera. rollei and janoptics offered a digital budel of rollei camera (the great 6008) and sinar back on it (the emotion 22 mpix). this suppposed to be one of my prime choices to get the digi back... but now i see there are some surprises and very good developemnts. it is good that i waited untill the photokina is over and the picture will be clear. the hy6... well i will not rush at the moment with comments about the new camera, i have never saw it - only the frsh photo on the sinar page.... but it looks to me a kind of mix between the rollei 6008 with its placement and camera type, a kind of modrnized design of hasselblad h camera, a kind of rollei shutter control unit integrated on the grip (instead of te simple grip of the 6008). also - the back seems to be the new (replacemnt of the old studio back i saw it on large cameras alot, it also makes multi-shots, but personally, my prefarance is the more mobile emotion75/22). but again, not sure what they gonna offer and how. and not sure what rollei will do with it.... please, if u gather some info about it... if u see something with fotokina, please drop a note here - i will be very thankful :-))))))))) about kodak/creo/leaf with janoptics.. dont know... i just know that some people say that the leaf back is the best, but honestly - they are all at such a high level - there is some standartization in this range too. ah - one more thing.. it seems to be new cooperation, but i think the future of all involved companeis seems promising indeed Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
petermcwerner Posted September 26, 2006 Share #13 Posted September 26, 2006 vic vic]oh albert - a bit more complicated... dont forget the hasselblad fuji.. dont forget that zeiss makes lenses for sinar/rollei... dont forget that schneider and rodenstok/linos are deep in this bussness as well. indded - most of the rollei lenses are schneider made... also dont forget that schneider and dont forget that Zeiss owns part of Jenoptik (former Zeiss Jena) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic vic Posted September 28, 2006 Author Share #14 Posted September 28, 2006 thats rite too pete.... so alot of mixings - i think it is good. but still no real info can be found about the new products... i guess within a week or so more will be known. by the way - saw the new hasselblad h3d camera - a real competitions goes on there in the feild of medium. that looks really cool. a new lens from hassleblad (the 28mm full frame as they call it). this is another indication that medium format digital is going through new standartization. the 48x36 frame of digital sensor is a new standard in medium... and ya... the digi-backs give already a very impressive performance either the 22mix or surely the 75mpix. leaf as i see gained a new speed in workflow with the digi-backs. the nvestments give a secure feeling as i see it now (less rush for the new upgrades from user point of view) :-)))) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
starwatcher Posted September 28, 2006 Share #15 Posted September 28, 2006 could someone pls briefly explain what the "keiretsu" concept is? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_f Posted September 28, 2006 Share #16 Posted September 28, 2006 Klaus, "Keiretsu" is a Japanese word meaning a set of companies with interlocking business relationships and shareholdings. For more detailed info, see: Keiretsu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and OECD Observer: Carlos Ghosn: cost controller or keiretsu killer? Cheers, John F. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted September 28, 2006 Share #17 Posted September 28, 2006 Leica is such a bargain compared to this: Hasselblad to release H3D at Photokina - Engadget Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic vic Posted September 29, 2006 Author Share #18 Posted September 29, 2006 albert- ha ha - those are totally different tools... if a camera like haselblad would be made by leica - well - dont want to think how much it would cost :-)))))))))), not that assy is cheap, but leica is still more expenssive proportionally. anyway - some more news about the rollei/sinar: http://www.photoscala.de/node/2230 now what it say more or less, there and in relevant topics (about new rollei lenses too)... that: there is a new technology of miror (slr miror) in this camera that makes it better... that is good of course, although the rollei 6008 is really not bad... surely no rpoblems with flash lights (where and how it is used mostly)... the new grip has some additional functionalities and essy to use, u can see everything all the time, and u have all the controls over there in very simple and functional way.... well, rollei 6008 is also very functional (the grip is there the shutter control is there, the shutter release is there, and the automatic exposure lock is there)... so, may be additional functionality and ease of use is that u can control from the grip the digi back functionality???? the new grip looks a bit like moster - not very much - just a bit... it is very difficult to judge it from those pics.... grips u can judge only when in hand........ new lenses for rollei... this new camera works with rollei lenses, cool anyway, and indeed the lens atached to it is typical rollei (at least visually). the new lenses are faster, wider, and wide options for choices... and seems that they are directed to digi backs.... the camera itself... i try to compare it while the rollei lens (or so it seems to me) is the point of referance.... the camera is not that big and moster as it seemed... actually, it is like rollei 6008 but without the botton part (with motor and battery in rollei). so it is more or less about the rollei 608, hasselbald 501 size too mor or less. but then... how the film holder backs can be used ??? i mean... the noraml rolleis can-not, so new??? on the left side there are some designed buttons... on rollie it is mainly exposure comp control, but here it seems to me a bit more - may be the digi back control again???? and... if digi back controls can be found on the body itslef (not that i know if it true or not at the moment) ... so maybe the newer backs for this camera will be dedicated and will not have all that unnessary stuff like 2.2" monitors, buttons etc etc.. and it will be more compact - like film holder back - just shot your RAWs, store it in the back and that it is - all the rest like on the film while making photos and only on computer convert and edit????? dont know if it is true - but i really would be happy to have such thing :-)))) the new lenses are not leica lenses - they are janoptics lenses - ya it seems they do lenses too (manly for other industries, but now for foto too)... so those who mentioned medium format leica lenses - well - may be later - not now :-))))) honestly.. it seems to be as a very good future to all the involved companies (including the leica of course) :-)))) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic vic Posted October 1, 2006 Author Share #19 Posted October 1, 2006 so - here it is as acpacted - the rolleiflex verssion http://www.photoscala.de/node/2243 now, the camera seems to be exactly the same design (functionally and aesthetically) but as i understand it is only a concpet version (that will come true in april 2007). and true.. leaf (kodak) is in the bussens here... there is option to get leaf digi back on the rollei at least, which is great caue leaf considered to be the best thing (especially now with their newer aptus s series). and also new lenses - 35, 55 80 150 ... from janoptics this time.... rrollei looks in great shape to me, secure wether to be with the older 6008 or to het with the newer hy6.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billh Posted October 1, 2006 Share #20 Posted October 1, 2006 by the way - saw the new hasselblad h3d camera - a real competitions goes on there in the feild of medium. that looks really cool. a new lens from hassleblad (the 28mm full frame as they call it). this is another indication that medium format digital is going through new standartization. the 48x36 frame of digital sensor is a new standard in medium... and ya... the digi-backs give already a very impressive performance either the 22mix or surely the 75mpix. leaf as i see gained a new speed in workflow with the digi-backs. the nvestments give a secure feeling as i see it now (less rush for the new upgrades from user point of view) :-)))) For another view on this, see: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/photokina/H3-concerns.shtml Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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