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"L " sealed - means what?

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The "L" seal is located on the upper screw of the M lens mount and indicates that the camera is in original condition like it left the factory or the original Leica service.

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John,

 

Just to add to Ronald's note - the last 'L-sealed' bodies were the Wetzlar produced M4 and M5. The M1, MD, MDa, M2, M2R, M3, M4, the original MP and M5 had the 'L' seal when they left the factory.

 

As far as I remember, the M4-2 and M4P did not have the seals anymore. All new MP, M6 and M7 versions have definitely done away with the seal.

 

The benefit of the seal is questionable - it may be beneficial to collectors who want a 'virginal' camera that will probably never get used. But, a 30 to 50 year old camera which has never been opened will most probably need servicing if you want to use it. And - there goes the seal that you would have paid extra for on that used M body......

 

It would be interesting to find out if cameras serviced at Solms can still be 'L-sealed' when the original seal had to be removed by their service department.

 

Best,

 

Jan

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I think there are two types of L seals, one which is I believe is raised indicating the original factory seal and one that was impressed indicting that the camera had been taken apart and reassembled after work by Leica. The seal configuration may the other way around. There are also various seals used by various independant camera technicians over the years.-Dick

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There are also various seals used by various independant camera technicians over the years.-Dick

Leitz too :

Midland's have a C sealed

and when the cameras was CLAed in Leitz Wetzlar the L seal is recessed.

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I never found the "69" wax seal means?? from who or where it comes..one of m3 I bought from Australia has it, today no more..since was CLAd by Youxin...

regards..

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Here some seals and origins :

 

56: Serviced by Paepke Fototechnik

92: Serviced by DAG as well all know it.

24: ?

69: ?

A: Serviced by Alois Kosnar from Stockholm

C: Manufactured by Leitz Midland, Canada, rare sight

H: Serviced by Havel Camera, Texas, USA

J: Serviced by Mr Gerry Smith from Toronto

K: Serviced by Kanto Camera Service, Japan (Kanto Camera Service)

L: Raised letter, manufactured by Leitz up to M4-2 and did not include CL

L: Recessed letter, serviced by Leitz up to 1982 (?)

N: Serviced by Leitz New York

O: Unsure origin, mentioned on photo.net to be a service person from Adeleide, Australia.

S: Hand-engraved letter, serviced by Sherry Krauter

 

and those (translated in French) taken from "25 Jahre Leica Historica" :

 

A: Venzlaff, Athène/Grèce

B: Leitz, Londres/Grande Bretagne

C: Leitz, Milan/Italie

D: Tiranty, Paris/France

E: Brandt, Stockholm/Suède

F: Lutz Ferrando, Buenos Aires/Argentine

G: Cattaneo, Gênes/Italie

H: Schmitt, Hongkong

I: Taeuber, Le Cap/Afrique Sud

K: Kleiner, Rio de Janeiro/Brésil

M: Pablo Ferrando, Montevideo/Uruguay

N: Lackland, Aukland/Nlle. Zélande

O: Odin, Nijmwegen/Pays-Bas

P: Perrot, Biel/Suisse

Q: Parer, Sydney/Australie

R: Sanitas, Bogota/Colombie

S: Schmidt, Tokyo/Japon

T: Carveht, Toronto/Canada

U: Commercial Ultramar, Mexico/Mexique

V: Forestier, Valparaiso/Chili

W: Optoteknika, Vienne/Autriche

X: Fixit, Bagdad/Irak

Y: Leitz, New York/USA

Z: Reiss & Co., Jakarta/Malaisie

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Hi Tim,

what if it's just a black wax seal with no markings ? i have a m2 like this just a black seal.
I also have a M4-P like this.

It just mean it was at least ones serviced, but you'll never know from who.

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In reference to Phillippe's post regarding the seal origins: 'C' may also mean manufacture by Ernst Leitz Midland but, is definitely the seal of the Leitz Canadian distibutor's service department's from the 1960's and 1970's - Walter A. Carveth. Carveth also used 'T' - as they were based in Totonto.

 

Best,

 

Jan

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My M4-P also has just a plain black seal and was serviced by Leica, Japan last year.

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U: Commercial Ultramar, Mexico/Mexique....

Sorry but this not working with leica-photo gear any more...Just asked today..

Bob....

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Hi Jan,

Walter A. Carveth. Carveth also used 'T' - as they were based in Totonto.

This is mentioned on my list.

 

Hi Bob,

U: Commercial Ultramar, Mexico/Mexique....

Sorry but this not working with leica-photo gear any more...Just asked today...

Many of those firms do not even exist today anymore.

This is only good for collectors or when you buy a second (at least) hand camera.

Today, those seals are very rarely inserted by repairer, maybe even not at all any more.

 

Cheers

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If the camera has been serviced with no seal marked it is often worth taking off the base plate, the one with the loading diagram on, three screws only, don't drop them, on the reverse is a popular place for an engineer to note his name and date of service or indeed, as I have seen an owner to place his name to prove, presumably, ownership.

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