jc_braconi Posted February 9, 2013 Share #361 Posted February 9, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) So what's the difference between Leicaflexs that are 100% Leica and the R8/9 that's also 100% Leica? "Mechanical" construction untill SL2 next are electonic's beginning with the R3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mgcd Posted February 9, 2013 Share #362 Posted February 9, 2013 You can post where you want but your R9 is not and will never be a Leicaflex. Thank God for that! The Leicaflex is an antiquated, slow, mechanical throwback of a beast, that uses cds cells suffering from memory problems when exposed to a bright light source. The R3 also used 3 cds cells, however subsequent models were equipped with silicon cells. The R8/9 were 100% Leica far beyond anything the Leicaflex could aspire to, though some people swear by the Leicaflex viewfinder. Clearly, I am not one of them. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AB007 Posted February 9, 2013 Share #363 Posted February 9, 2013 Thank God for that! The Leicaflex is an antiquated, slow, mechanical throwback of a beast, that uses cds cells suffering from memory problems when exposed to a bright light source. The R3 also used 3 cds cells, however subsequent models were equipped with silicon cells. The R8/9 were 100% Leica far beyond anything the Leicaflex could aspire to, though some people swear by the Leicaflex viewfinder. Clearly, I am not one of them. Not that there is anything wrong with that Personally, I do happen to love my Leicaflexes, R8 and R6.2 from the R system. Needless to say, I love vintage mechanical cameras and modern cameras. Other favorites are Leica M3, Rollei TLRs, Nikon F (meterless prism) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganzosrevenge Posted February 10, 2013 Share #364 Posted February 10, 2013 Thank God for that! The Leicaflex is an antiquated, slow, mechanical throwback of a beast, that uses cds cells suffering from memory problems when exposed to a bright light source. The R3 also used 3 cds cells, however subsequent models were equipped with silicon cells. The R8/9 were 100% Leica far beyond anything the Leicaflex could aspire to, though some people swear by the Leicaflex viewfinder. Clearly, I am not one of them. Old, perhaps, Antiquated, perhaps. But it was for me a financially accessible way into Leicas, and being a young guy who's inundated with "new and improved digital" it really helps make me stop and think about my work and not just shooting for shooting's sake. As for the R8 / R9, yes they were beyond anything Leica in 1964 or 1968 could have aspired to, but look at the rate that technology evolved within the 35 to 40 years that ensued. I'd *LOVE* to own an R9, but at the same time, there is a certain beauty to a vintage camera that exists in the same way as a vintage car. It's just rawer, it's less "refined" technologically compared to its modern brethren, but it serves as an evolutionary point in time. The SL, an evolution of the standard, has an improved appearance and through-the-lens metering, a BIG step for a company that was as conservative as Leica was (and to an extent, still is). However, what one *CAN* do (and IMHO should do upon buying a Leicaflex or any 40-plus year old camera) is have the lubricants modernized, the battery converted to a modern battery, etc., to bridge the gap a bit between vintage-correct and modern convenience and stability. The tolerances were frighteningly tight, but at the time the technology for alkaline batteries was in its infancy and the existence of nanotechnologies and microtechnologies for lubricants to be able to work in such small environments was a NASA pipe dream. (This is one of the reasons the Zeiss Contarex failed, the lubricant wasn't "micro" enough to get into the seams, and was simply purged out of the camera.) Will this result in a silicon meter for increased modernity? No. But it will make the camera like new and a better daily driver. I will though agree with the perspective you have on the R9, it is the pinnacle of Leica SLRs. Modern *EVERYTHING*, and - at least to me - very aesthetically pleasing (what can I say, I like the design of the "hunchback from Solms"). As for the viewfinder, it's up there with an R6.2, but what befalls the Leicaflex is that they (Leicaflexes) are very susceptible to desilvering. That can dim the viewfinder a bit and perhaps influence one's placement of the L-Flex in the "bright viewfinder hierarchy". So I will agree and disagree. Jason 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joop van Heijgen Posted February 12, 2013 Share #365 Posted February 12, 2013 Thank God for that! The Leicaflex is an antiquated, slow, mechanical throwback of a beast, that uses cds cells suffering from memory problems when exposed to a bright light source. The R3 also used 3 cds cells, however subsequent models were equipped with silicon cells. The R8/9 were 100% Leica far beyond anything the Leicaflex could aspire to, though some people swear by the Leicaflex viewfinder. Clearly, I am not one of them. Compared to Leicaflexes the R8/9 are put away cameras even not economic to repair.... http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-r-leica-flex/261382-leica-r8-centre-spot-metering-stopped.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebarnman Posted February 12, 2013 Share #366 Posted February 12, 2013 Compared to Leicaflexes the R8/9 are put away cameras even not economic to repair.... http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-r-leica-flex/261382-leica-r8-centre-spot-metering-stopped.html I was going to ask what did you mean by "put away cameras." Then I read the thread you provided and saw what you were refurring to. The experience by those who have R8 and R9 models is a shame. I would have to add the little "Exposer Mode Dial" on the top of my R9 came loose. It didn't fall off, it just spun loosely. I sent it in to Leica America 1.5 years ago and came back working fine. At first the "Exposer Mode Dial" was kind of tight, but has sense loosened up and now feels "normal." Although I did notice in August 2012, the rear LCD display was acting up. I put a roll of film into the camera and after shooting a 1/2 of it, I noticed the ISO reading was incorrect. I tried to set it manually and couldn't. Or at least it wouldn't display correctly. All the digits were displaying at the same time. And then sometimes it was off. With a 2nd roll of film, I used a incident light meter just in case. Unfortunately I don't remember if I was still having problems with the LCD readout. Recently I pulled the camera out to see how the LCD was working. It seemed to be fine. So the next time I use the R9, I'll be testing it out again but this time with a roll of film. I forgot to mention, I did call Leica America and it was suggested to put a little alcohol on the end of a Q-tip and "gently" whip the gold contacts between the back and the rear door. He stressed "gently" because the gold contacts are very thin a fragile. So at this point I'm not even sure if there's anything wrong with my R9. And at least I know there's no issue with the center meter...well at least from the last time I used it. I remember using the center meter last time because I was trying to lock in a exposure and re-compose the shot. I discovered (at least with my R9) I can only lock in a exposure while using the center meter, not with the other exposure modes. http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-r-leica-flex/190271-sent-my-r9-leica.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted February 12, 2013 Share #367 Posted February 12, 2013 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Literally English traduction from "Betriebskamera" One of the very few R9 : Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited February 13, 2013 by jc_braconi 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/45395-lets-see-your-r/?do=findComment&comment=2241030'>More sharing options...
dave.gt Posted February 12, 2013 Share #368 Posted February 12, 2013 JC, I love it! One day I will...one day I will have an R9. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted February 12, 2013 Share #369 Posted February 12, 2013 JC, I love it! One day I will...one day I will have an R9. You have my best wishes Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted February 12, 2013 Share #370 Posted February 12, 2013 Literally English traduction from "Betriebskamera" "Betriebskamera" translates to something like "camera for internal use"; in this case, use "Betrieb" in the sense of company or factory, not in the sense of operation. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adodad Posted March 17, 2013 Share #371 Posted March 17, 2013 Hello to all! The photo (courtesy of my iPhone 5) of my "new" R and its little brother, a D-Lux 3. This R3 was just given to me from my widowed neighbor. While preparing to move out of state she ran across her husbands beloved R3. After much thought she asked me to keep it and take care of it. The camera was used often but show virtually no signs of wear and operates like a champ. It came with the original strap, leather Leitz camera bag, the 2.8 24mm and a 28-70 zoom. While in my high school days, I used a Konica Autoreflex T3 shootings photos for the school yearbook. The fellow that was the school photographer the previous year owned a Leicaflex which I envied but could not afford. This R3 coming my way in such an unexpected way is really a dream come true after 39 years of waiting to own a Leica SLR. Cheers. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/45395-lets-see-your-r/?do=findComment&comment=2274646'>More sharing options...
ryee3 Posted March 18, 2013 Share #372 Posted March 18, 2013 What a blessing! Enjoy:D. Take care of widows;) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torquatus Posted March 18, 2013 Share #373 Posted March 18, 2013 Here are my favorites. Ok, one is no R, sorry for that ! Piture taken with a IIIf, Summitar 2/5cm, Agfa Ct100 precisa Slide Regards Gerhard Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/45395-lets-see-your-r/?do=findComment&comment=2275766'>More sharing options...
thebarnman Posted March 19, 2013 Share #374 Posted March 19, 2013 Hello to all!The photo (courtesy of my iPhone 5) of my "new" R and its little brother, a D-Lux 3. This R3 was just given to me from my widowed neighbor. While preparing to move out of state she ran across her husbands beloved R3. After much thought she asked me to keep it and take care of it. The camera was used often but show virtually no signs of wear and operates like a champ. It came with the original strap, leather Leitz camera bag, the 2.8 24mm and a 28-70 zoom. While in my high school days, I used a Konica Autoreflex T3 shootings photos for the school yearbook. The fellow that was the school photographer the previous year owned a Leicaflex which I envied but could not afford. This R3 coming my way in such an unexpected way is really a dream come true after 39 years of waiting to own a Leica SLR. Cheers. Wow, that looks new! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adodad Posted March 19, 2013 Share #375 Posted March 19, 2013 Yes, taking care of widows and orphans is always the right thing to do and sometimes it has unexpected benefits, i.e., a gifted Leica. As I already mentioned, she is preparing to move and called yesterday to say she found something else she wants me to have. There was a receipt in the camera bag for a Vario-Elmar 75-200 so maybe she ran across the lens! Her late husband was a pediatric Dr. and obviously took exceptional care of this R3. I am unsure of how much it was actually used but it would be described as "mint". I found, on ebay, a +2 diopter correction lens for the viewfinder that I need. It has already arrived and makes it much easier to see the entire viewfinder. I am running some film through the camera now to determine if the light seals are doing their job. I absolutely love the seductive "ker-thunk" sound of the R3 shutter...makes me think of the satisfactory sound of a door being closed on a Mercedes Benz. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainYooh Posted March 19, 2013 Share #376 Posted March 19, 2013 I decided to arrange and store my Leica-R glass in a dedicated Pelican case. Bought the case some time ago but it took me some time to get to it. Did it last night, finally. You literally just outline the lens and take foam micro-blocks out with your fingers. This was fun (and a lot of discarded foam, of course ). Couldn't stop myself from taking a quick snapshot of the result (it's not very sharp, sorry): 8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebarnman Posted March 19, 2013 Share #377 Posted March 19, 2013 Yes, taking care of widows and orphans is always the right thing to do and sometimes it has unexpected benefits, i.e., a gifted Leica. As I already mentioned, she is preparing to move and called yesterday to say she found something else she wants me to have. There was a receipt in the camera bag for a Vario-Elmar 75-200 so maybe she ran across the lens! Her late husband was a pediatric Dr. and obviously took exceptional care of this R3. I am unsure of how much it was actually used but it would be described as "mint". I found, on ebay, a +2 diopter correction lens for the viewfinder that I need. It has already arrived and makes it much easier to see the entire viewfinder. I am running some film through the camera now to determine if the light seals are doing their job. I absolutely love the seductive "ker-thunk" sound of the R3 shutter...makes me think of the satisfactory sound of a door being closed on a Mercedes Benz. Let us know if there are any seal problems. As far as the Vario-Elmar 75-200 lens, let us know about that too! If that's the case, be sure to get a picture of all of it together! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adodad Posted March 23, 2013 Share #378 Posted March 23, 2013 Let us know if there are any seal problems. As far as the Vario-Elmar 75-200 lens, let us know about that too! If that's the case, be sure to get a picture of all of it together! barnman: I ran a roll of FUJI 400 through the R3 taking snapshots around the house. A couple of the prints have been scanned and attached. I suspect this is a clear cut case of the light seal around the film canister window is not doing its job. Also, there is a certain "muddiness" to the entire frame that may be entirely due to this seal leaking or a leak around the perimeter seal may also be occurring. I know the black tape trick will work due but I think it may be worth the time and $$ to send the camera in for a general CLA as well as seal replacement. Any suggestions as to where it can be sent with great confidence? Also, the 75-200 zoom was not found so it will not be a part of my kit. I do intend to find and obtain a 50, 90 and 180 for this R3. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/45395-lets-see-your-r/?do=findComment&comment=2280217'>More sharing options...
thebarnman Posted March 29, 2013 Share #379 Posted March 29, 2013 barnman:I ran a roll of FUJI 400 through the R3 taking snapshots around the house. A couple of the prints have been scanned and attached. I suspect this is a clear cut case of the light seal around the film canister window is not doing its job. Also, there is a certain "muddiness" to the entire frame that may be entirely due to this seal leaking or a leak around the perimeter seal may also be occurring. I know the black tape trick will work due but I think it may be worth the time and $$ to send the camera in for a general CLA as well as seal replacement. Any suggestions as to where it can be sent with great confidence? Also, the 75-200 zoom was not found so it will not be a part of my kit. I do intend to find and obtain a 50, 90 and 180 for this R3. It would definitely be worth your time and money to have the CLA and of course to have any light leaks resolved. I'm sure others here would recommend sending the camera to others who are very qualified for the job. The only place I would recommend to have this done is of course Leica. I'm not sure what part of the world your in. However if in the US, I suggest Leica Camera Inc. 1 Pearl Ct, Unit A Allendale, New Jersey 07401 Contact person: Sarah Mayville & Carmen Vargas Phone: 800-222-0118 x 19930 Fax: 201-995-1686 E-mail: repair@leicacamerausa.com If anywhere else in the world, check out the listings here; Leica Camera AG - Service - worldwide network Let us know how it goes! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magosak Posted April 4, 2013 Share #380 Posted April 4, 2013 (edited) I added the following (21-35, 28-90 and R6) to my Simmulux-R 80mm. Edited April 4, 2013 by magosak Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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