marknorton Posted February 2, 2008 Share #21 Posted February 2, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) That's welcome news and would be the change which justified the whole upgrade idea - and bring me on board! I think the existing sensor carrier plate could take a full frame sensor and assuming the shutter is big enough, as Jeff says, one challenge will be finding space for the battery at a time when power requirements are likely to increase, not decrease. What you see inside the lens throat is actually the same plastic moulding as half of the battery compartment. Look at the front and bottom of the camera with the base-plate removed, and you can see how the battery encroaches into the lens throat from the right hand, preview selector side. Things will need to be moved around and it may be the new shutter is the first step in that process. One other option would be to use a taller baseplate (taller by, say, an AA cell diameter) and run the battery across the width of the camera in a similar way they used to with the old clip on winders. You could fit 4 AA-sized cells in the space available. Alternatively, they could put batteries in the handle of the grip so that buying a grip was also a battery capacity upgrade. [sorry HC, our posts crossed and mine was delayed while I was making a cup of tea...!] Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ho_co Posted February 2, 2008 Share #22 Posted February 2, 2008 I think the tea was worth it. Glad to get your confirmation of the concept. We've already bought the slightly bigger M; now we'll be glad to see it grow yet again for the benefit of FF. As Lee is quoted as saying, "we will do what's right." --HC Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted February 2, 2008 Share #23 Posted February 2, 2008 Finally things come the right direction I have always waited for FF, now it is arriving. This is the best and greatest news I have had throughout the last 10 years of my photographic life Things will change substantially while moving to FF - for a lot of us. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 2, 2008 Share #24 Posted February 2, 2008 FF would need another VF magnification so big update if any. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted February 2, 2008 Share #25 Posted February 2, 2008 Is the implication that a FF sensor would produce a crop factor of 1 in a DRF? Pete. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 2, 2008 Share #26 Posted February 2, 2008 If FF means 24x36mm yes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irek Posted February 2, 2008 Share #27 Posted February 2, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) It is rather strange statement from Mr Lee. He said that it will be FF rangefinder on Photokina show. It means that such FF camera can be ready to ship in Christmas shopping season. M8 is known since PK 2006 and Leica is working hard since that event, I think. It looks that FF camera is ready for final tests now and they really expect to show it in the September. If such statement is given today, we can expect rapid fall of M8 selling. Many people will wait for FF camera and not to buy M8 in the meantime. So the upgrade concept is on its place. Leica will have a cashflow in the time of waiting for start of selling of FF rangefinder camera. And the last word: can you give me a name of other digital camera manufacturer which is providing upgrade policy for its cameras? Kind regards Irek Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikFive Posted February 2, 2008 Share #28 Posted February 2, 2008 It is rather strange statement from Mr Lee. He said that it will be FF rangefinder on Photokina show. It means that such FF camera can be ready to ship in Christmas shopping season. M8 is known since PK 2006 and Leica is working hard since that event, I think. It looks that FF camera is ready for final tests now and they really expect to show it in the September. If such statement is given today, we can expect rapid fall of M8 selling. Many people will wait for FF camera and not to buy M8 in the meantime. So the upgrade concept is on its place. Leica will have a cashflow in the time of waiting for start of selling of FF rangefinder camera. And the last word: can you give me a name of other digital camera manufacturer which is providing upgrade policy for its cameras? Kind regards Irek I dont think you can buy M8´s upgraded. Isnt that right? Therefore it would be smarter buying it now so you can even out the cost over the year. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pascal_meheut Posted February 2, 2008 Share #29 Posted February 2, 2008 It is rather strange statement from Mr Lee. He said that it will be FF rangefinder on Photokina show No, he never said that. He said "could", "when we are ready" and so on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giordano Posted February 2, 2008 Share #30 Posted February 2, 2008 It is rather strange statement from Mr Lee. He said that it will be FF rangefinder on Photokina show. It means that such FF camera can be ready to ship in Christmas shopping season. M8 is known since PK 2006 and Leica is working hard since that event, I think. It looks that FF camera is ready for final tests now and they really expect to show it in the September. What the AP website actually says is Leica's chief has dropped strong hints that the firm is planning to launch a full-frame 35mm sensor based digital rangefinder camera. ... 'When it's ready we will do what's right,' said Lee indicating that a full-frame camera would feature a CCD imaging sensor and could see its official debut at the Photokina trade show in Germany this autumn. This does NOT say there'll be a FF M at PhotoKina, let alone suggest that the camera or upgrade will be shipping by Christmas. More likely, a formal announcement at PK - maybe with a "roadmap" and even a prototype in a glass case - with shipping products following many months later. Even if the system is actually ready now, they should delay it and spend the next year dropping misleading hints and enjoying the reaction here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted February 2, 2008 Share #31 Posted February 2, 2008 Does Leica consider using CMOS sensors? New technologies for batteries are around the corner. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irek Posted February 2, 2008 Share #32 Posted February 2, 2008 Leica is very reluctant for any statements. So, why Mr Lee say what he say? Irek Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marquinius Posted February 2, 2008 Share #33 Posted February 2, 2008 I'm afraid we'll need some distraction here ... Tom Cruise buys $72,500 Ducati motorbike That will distract anyone. It still has got two wheels, doesn't it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tashley Posted February 2, 2008 Share #34 Posted February 2, 2008 You know what? My M8 is noisier than my MP but it isn't really noisy. It's sensor is smaller than my 5D but I prefer the files and can print them on an 24" wide printer or larger with excellent results. Now the AWB is fixed, I am happy with what I have. Maybe I'd buy a FF version one day, or upgrade to it - but not if it gets a millimetre larger or an ounce heavier. All cameras are compromises and after a year of us all being simultaneously excited and yet still finding lots to complain about, I think the M8 is, for my purposes, the best compromise I have ever used. For now at least, is all the camera I will ever need... T Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delander † Posted February 2, 2008 Share #35 Posted February 2, 2008 They do play games don't they? particularly Mr Lee. Lets forget about M8 upgrades and wait for the FF M9 in 2 years time. While I am waiting I'll try and take some good photos, Jeff Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted February 2, 2008 Share #36 Posted February 2, 2008 Folks, reading through this - where o you have your vision? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MP3 Posted February 2, 2008 Share #38 Posted February 2, 2008 Any forum member here visited the PMA and handled the 'new M8' with 'quieter shutter' ? My question is, does anyone ever got a chance to examine the new shutter and can confirm us whether it was designed to clear the 36x24 FF ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venkman Posted February 2, 2008 Share #39 Posted February 2, 2008 Good news. I ask myself: will it be more pixels or the same pixel amount with bigger individual pixels (which I understand is the Nikon D3 way)? TBH, I think I would prefer the second option. Dirk Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
george_b Posted February 2, 2008 Share #40 Posted February 2, 2008 Can I also have a vibrating sensor or some other anti-dust system while we are at it, IMHO sensor dust is a bigger issue than a FF sensor. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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