jaapv Posted January 30, 2008 Share #161 Posted January 30, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) Except that your 'classic' M8 will loose a lot on the 2nd hand market i'm afraid... I couldn't care less. I am not planning to sell. I am planning to use them. Anything I don't want to sell is worth exactly nil on the secondhand market. If I want to buy something for selling I might consider stock. And lose a lot more in the process. Buy a car - along comes a new model after two years - and you will have "lost" a whole bucketful of M8's in virtual money. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lct Posted January 30, 2008 Share #162 Posted January 30, 2008 LCT--That's the "photographer vs collector" argument.... Or its the argument of a photographer who wants to sell his/her M8 Howard.... For instance to buy an M9... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 30, 2008 Share #163 Posted January 30, 2008 I couldn't care less. I am not planning to sell.... You're not planning to sell but you're not alone Jaap and you could want to sell your M8 to get a marvelous M9 don't you think so? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_livsey Posted January 30, 2008 Share #164 Posted January 30, 2008 I just got off the 'phone with a major US stockist and he knows nothing about it, in fact he was completely incensed, fearing an angry backlash from recent purchasers. Was he equally incensed and did he get a backlash from his Nikon customers when the D3 was announced ? Digital camera life cycles are short and the M9 has been runoured for long enough all over the web an M8 II should cause no shock. I think the "he knows nothing" is the cause of his mood. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Essemmlee Posted January 30, 2008 Share #165 Posted January 30, 2008 I can't handle all of this. I'm still thinking about the M8/nudes thread and this comes up. Deary me. Too much for an old guy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted January 30, 2008 Share #166 Posted January 30, 2008 Digital camera life cycles are short ............. that's bullshit I still use a RD-1 and a D2, helps me earn a living .... the production run maybe short Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted January 30, 2008 Share #167 Posted January 30, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) Or its the argument of a photographer who wants to sell his/her M8 Howard.... For instance to buy an M9... LCT-- For some of us the argument is meaningless. One day I may get around to selling my M5's. They're still worth as much today (maybe slightly more) than when I bought them. I could trade them in toward an M9. Leica has traditionally been both an extremely fine photographic tool and a way to protect one's investment. If Leica pulls that off in the digital domain, they've done something big. My hat is off to Mssrs Lee and Kaufmann and their entire team. (And that's based simply on the rumor... ) I can't handle all of this. I'm still thinking about the M8/nudes thread and this comes up. Deary me. Too much for an old guy. You're right, Steve. How did we get sidetracked? --HC Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted January 30, 2008 Share #168 Posted January 30, 2008 Maybe,.................... but Jaap's thought pattern when defending Leica is akin to WWI trench warfare Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_livsey Posted January 30, 2008 Share #169 Posted January 30, 2008 ............. that's bullshit I still use a RD-1 and a D2, helps me earn a living .... the production run maybe short Now that's what I call nit picking. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted January 30, 2008 Share #170 Posted January 30, 2008 thought pattern when defending Leica is akin to WWI trench warfare You mean throw another body into the line? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted January 30, 2008 Share #171 Posted January 30, 2008 nitpicking there is a big difference between production and use ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,well the last time I participated, maybe it is one and the same in the factory Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted January 30, 2008 Share #172 Posted January 30, 2008 You know what it is like just drop it at your feet and it takes out the enemy as well Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevelap Posted January 30, 2008 Share #173 Posted January 30, 2008 PMA opens tomorrow, so not too long to wait for confirmation if this is all true…. If we assume for the moment though that some sort of M8 mkII is about to be announced, then if the upgrade rumour is correct I think it should be seen as an opportunity rather than as a disappointment. After all such an upgrade path would be virtually unprecedented in this ‘throw away’ digital era, particularly if it prepares the camera for future upgrades which might include the sensor, and so far I haven’t seen Canon or Nikon or anyone else offer anything similar when their products are updated or replaced. The downside is cost of course (this is Leica after all, lol), as jumping aboard the upgrade train could be essential considering the likely adverse effect on the residual value of unmodified M8’s (unless of course they were to acquire some sort of bizarre cult status, and become collectable in their own right, lol). Consider the upside though, which might be that your camera can be kept up to date for a considerable period, at least until a major advance in capability or design comes along which can’t be provided by an upgrade. Steve Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted January 30, 2008 Share #174 Posted January 30, 2008 ............. that's bullshit I still use a RD-1 and a D2, helps me earn a living .... the production run maybe short I used a D1 (well the Panasonic version) recently to take photos of someones engagement party - paid job. They wanted photos to send to people by e mail and an album of 5X7's. The camera was perfectly find for the job with a Metz hammerhead flashgun. No camera is defunkt as long as it continues to produce images. As for the upgrade, I don't own an M8 so it isn't really of concern to me, but as an 'outsider' I read it that Leica - keen to keep up interest/momentum in a product which they can't yet replace have come up with a few minor 'upgrades' so that they can effectively release a v2 M8. What does it really amount to? The camera won't take better images (firmware will presumably be downloadable anyway). As for the shutter that is a confusing one. Is it a new shutter or are they just modifying the exisitng one. Anyway I see it as mostly a marketing exercise to tide them over until the M9 is ready. Just my opinion FWIW. No one HAS to upgrade, its an option. Values? forget values and just use the thing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jelderfield Posted January 30, 2008 Share #175 Posted January 30, 2008 Regarding your comment: I'm sorry but how could you MISS some pictures. The M8 frame lines are ALL SMALLER then what is captured at any distance greater then .7m. Just because I have MORE in the frame than I intended doesn't mean that I didn't MISS the shot. Think about HCB and the decisive moment - it's about position of the frame and timing. A slight step back, forward, to the side and the click of the shutter at a slightly different time makes all the difference. Basically I ALMOST NEVER crop. So if the balance of all the elements in the frame is not right, for instance too much space around the subject then I have in fact MISSED the picture. So the fact that the frame lines include more, yes you are correct that I may not have missed an element in the frame but that doesn't mean that I have MISSED the shot. I never really had this problem with the earlier M cameras. Jonathan Elderfield Photography Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 30, 2008 Share #176 Posted January 30, 2008 Maybe,.................... but Jaap's thought pattern when defending Leica is akin to WWI trench warfare Thanks for the compliment On this forum the voice of reason needs to be entrenched.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlancasterd Posted January 30, 2008 Share #177 Posted January 30, 2008 If we assume for the moment though that some sort of M8 mkII is about to be announced, then if the upgrade rumour is correct I think it should be seen as an opportunity rather than as a disappointment.... your camera can be kept up to date for a considerable period, at least until a major advance in capability or design comes along which can’t be provided by an upgrade. Steve My feelings exactly. With any luck we are back in the 1930's position when a leica I could be upgraded to a Ia, Ib, II, IIa, IIb, III, IIIa or IIIb... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_livsey Posted January 30, 2008 Share #178 Posted January 30, 2008 nitpicking there is a big difference between production and use ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,well the last time I participated, maybe it is one and the same in the factory It was perfectly obvious from the context was was meant.If I am ambiguous when I post I am more than happy to be corrected. IMHO this was clear. Digital models are regularly superceded. The old models patently do not then cease to function (at least not straight away). That was not intended to be the meaning if you choose to take it to be so and comment on it as bullshit I to am entitled to say I think you are nit picking. Lets call it quits this is silly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted January 30, 2008 Share #179 Posted January 30, 2008 Nah you never placed it into that context, to recontextualise it in hindsight ............ feel free to do so but you did state that they have a short life cycle .. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted January 30, 2008 Share #180 Posted January 30, 2008 Thanks for the compliment On this forum the voice of reason needs to be entrenched.... I wish I could make puns in Dutch. Wilson Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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