Shutter lag or viewfinder lag or both

[kiwidad]

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6 hours ago, lct said:

Bit of confusion here it seems. There are not only analog framelines in modern M cameras. There are electronic framelines too, like those of 1.3x or 1.8x digital zoom or perspective control as well. These allow one to see outside the framelines if needed. Which has little to do with whatever EVF limitation.

There are no “electronic “ frame lines in the rangefinder view. They are merely electrically illuminated lines just like on the older m but they are easier to read and thus there is no frameline illumination window on a digital m.

You get crop lines in the EVF (call them frameline if you must) and I consider this a limitation and the debate in my head is can I live with a cropped sensor in my m11 to get that view I get on the rangefinder. 

this is the one thing ( other than the fact I can’t buy one in the USA yet) making me think twice about the new m-ev1.

 

 

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[lct]

7 hours ago, jaapv said:

You cannot disagree with plain facts [...]

You seem to confuse facts with disputable interpretation. I'm not alone to call frameline a frameline. It is not a word reserved to rangefinders but used in the EVF world as well. You will see it employed about RED cameras, for instance, or the Leica Q3, also ARRI or Sigma cameras, and of course the Leica MEV1. Anyway, let's agree to differ on this frameline thing, the earth won't stop turning for that.

[jaapv]

There is nothing to dispute or interprete. The confusion is fully on your side. As Kiwidad confirms there are no framelines. But be happy with your misnomer of crop lines and resulting miscomprehension. 

[lct]

6 minutes ago, jaapv said:

There is nothing to dispute . The confusion is fully on your side. 

I am speechless so 🙊🙉🙈

[jaapv]

21 minutes ago, lct said:

I am speechless so 🙊🙉🙈

😇 Matthew 5. 

[lct]

22 minutes ago, jaapv said:

😇 Matthew 5. 

Aquila non capit muscas.

[jaapv]

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Ab Iove principium  😂

[charlesphoto99]

10 hours ago, jaapv said:

You cannot disagree with plain facts. Well, I guess you can but it would not make sense. You are not composing in framelines, you are cropping in the camera using a digital guideline. Using framelines in any optical viewfinder means expanding your view outside the reach of your lens. Exactly the opposite. 

Yeah, using crop lines in the MEV1 makes little to no sense as one then still has to crop later in post, and one of the reasons many are rushing out to drop $8k on this camera is so they can see exactly what their lens sees, as is not the case with the traditional M. Just take as step back if one needs a bit of room around the subject. But then I'm no techie...😂