mujk Posted April 9 Share #41 Posted April 9 Advertisement (gone after registration) On 4/7/2025 at 12:51 PM, David__ said: I have purchased a M10 recently which was last serviced in July 2022. From its condition it was quite likely sitting in a drawer since then. Batteries were hence idle for around 20 months. I have three batteries and charging never completes to the point a solid green light is shown. When installed in to the camera I get just 2 bars (Leica app indicating 20%). Is there anyway to get an overall health of the battery ? Or is there anyway to revitalize the battery ? Would the jump start help ? A jump start means a brief, forced charging using another battery or power supply. It may be effective in cases where the battery suffers from a deep discharge, meaning it's so completely depleted that the charger refuses to charge it. Jump starting circumvents the battery management system that otherwise would protect the battery from excessive voltages and currents, overcharging etc. Consequently, a jump start has the potential to damage the battery, possibly with catastrophic consequences. Batteries that don't get fully charged anymore do not suffer from a deep discharge and should therefore not be jump started. It is quite likely that such a battery is permanently damaged and should be recycled. However, it may be worth attempting a few full discharge/charge cycles using the camera and the normal charger, even if the charge will not be fully complete. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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robert blu Posted April 9 Share #42 Posted April 9 I have not understood if BP SC5 is the same or equivalent of BP SCL5 I see BP SC5 suggested for the M10R The batteries of my M10 (noR) are labelled BP SCL5 Thanks in advance if anyone can comment. Google brought me to an even more confusing ideas! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted April 9 Share #43 Posted April 9 6 hours ago, robert blu said: I have not understood if BP SC5 is the same or equivalent of BP SCL5 I see BP SC5 suggested for the M10R The batteries of my M10 (noR) are labelled BP SCL5 Thanks in advance if anyone can comment. Google brought me to an even more confusing ideas! BP SC5 is the error. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jsung Posted April 14 Share #44 Posted April 14 (edited) i have a dead m10 battery and here are some thoughts charge the battery as soon as you have used it, empty batteries have higher percentage to fail charge battery frequently, the m10 battery will drain itself if not using Do not try anything to revive a dead battery unless its thru a professional, you dont want to have an unstable lithium battery inside your camera, it means trouble Edited April 14 by Jsung Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helge Posted April 16 Share #45 Posted April 16 All batteries are subject to self discharge, so storing an almost empty battery is never a good idea. Especially lithium based batteries will die if the charge level drops below a certain (admittedly very low) level. This can happen by self discharge. So charging after complete discharge (by usage) is definitely recommended. Also is a frequent supervision of the charge level of a stored battery recommended (maybe twice/year). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ljmartyre Posted April 19 Share #46 Posted April 19 (edited) Leica Store in Bellevue WA has a few. I just bought 2 and they were shipped the next day. Edited April 19 by Ljmartyre Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crf59 Posted April 19 Share #47 Posted April 19 Advertisement (gone after registration) Sorry for this folks, but I reached my limit. I love Leicas - like the build, the history, the quality of the optics, the feeling they give me. I own everything from Barnacks to all of the digitals but the M8. You could say I'm invested.... Among the herd are a couple of M10s (I prefer the M11s, but I do still like to use the other cameras periodically). I had 4 batteries across them initially, but due to 2 battery failures I am down to 2. One no longer holds a charge nearly as well. Same issue with my M240/246. I have been trying to buy new batteries for 2 years. I have sent Leica several e-mails about the issue. It is unfathomable to me that Leica, who touts the "lifetime of use" regularly cannot maintain a supply of batteries. There are thousands of M10 users out there who would gladly pay a little extra premium to get new batteries. But because Leica made very poor decisions about batteries and supply, those users will eventually end up with useless bricks. If you don't want to make them, pass off the technical design details to Wasabi or another 3rd party company. I hate to rant, but this makes me want to never use a digital Leica again. This is also a growing trend with Leica - stick your head in the sand and ignore legions of loyal users. M11 firmware, APO M aperture issues, battery issues, etc, etc. Glitches occur, but be up front about them, communicate what your actions are, and solve the problems. Arrogance is destructive and you can only rest on your laurels for so long. Man up Leica. 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted April 19 Share #48 Posted April 19 Well said. Leica really need to get their shit together on this one. And before any UK/EU members pipe in saying "I bought one at my dealer's last week" let me just say, well, isn't that nice. But US and other users shouldn't have to cop the price of a plane ticket and hotel to just buy a battery for their camera body. I fortunately had my wife bring one back from Germany for me last year when she was visiting family, but other than used ones at new prices (which I paid) there has hardly been a BP-SCL5 sighting in the States for the last couple of years. Really untenable imo if Leica want to keep users like @crf59 and have them upgrade at some point, and not forced to upgrade due to lack of batteries, which absolutely sucks when talking $9k bodies (not all of us have tha kind of 'disposable' cash laying around, though that seems to be the Leica mindset these days). Figure this out Leica!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB_tx Posted April 19 Share #49 Posted April 19 I had considered buying a used M10R, as it came with a battery. Fortunately it sold to remove the temptation... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterKelly Posted April 19 Share #50 Posted April 19 Has Leica ever published a reason for “batterygate”? I does seem unfathomable that this has carried on for so long. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 19 Share #51 Posted April 19 People are reporting buying them - it seems that supplies are reaching the USA - provided the trade war doesn't upset things again... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 19 Share #52 Posted April 19 I had to merge threads - please do not start multiple threads on the same subject Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crf59 Posted April 19 Share #53 Posted April 19 3 hours ago, jaapv said: People are reporting buying them - it seems that supplies are reaching the USA - provided the trade war doesn't upset things again... I am normally tolerant of reasonable supply chain issues, but this is just plain mismanagement on the part of Leica. I have experienced some issues with other company's batteries not being available all the time, but they always remedy the problem quickly. I am personally just tired of Leica not explaining why these issues occur to the extent they have and there is NEVER any admission of fault or any discussion of the solution. As I said before, this is just plain brand arrogance. If enough people complain, maybe they'll get the message. Coddling them and just saying "it happens" is poor recompense for what has become an epidemic at Leica. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 19 Share #54 Posted April 19 I agree that some kind of explanation would be customer friendly, but corporate culture differs between Germany and the USA. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted April 20 Share #55 Posted April 20 Varta Battery company has a lot of problems. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
codocee Posted April 23 Share #56 Posted April 23 Elaborate please Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted April 23 Share #57 Posted April 23 1 hour ago, codocee said: Elaborate please Varta, a German battery manufacturer, has been experiencing significant financial difficulties, leading to restructuring efforts and a potential delisting from the stock exchange. The company has faced challenges including dependence on major customers like Apple, global economic downturns, and supply chain issues. To address these issues, Varta has implemented a restructuring plan, including debt reduction and a possible capital injection, with Porsche playing a role in the process. Key aspects of Varta's financial troubles: Restructuring: Varta has initiated a restructuring plan to address its financial challenges, including a significant debt reduction and a potential capital injection. Debt burden: The company's debt has been a major concern, with plans to reduce it substantially through debt restructuring and potential creditor waivers. Delisting: As part of the restructuring, VARTA AG is considering delisting from the Frankfurt Stock Exchange, meaning that existing shares would lose value. Customer reliance: Varta's dependence on a single major customer, Apple, proved to be a significant vulnerability when the US company sought alternative suppliers. Market conditions: Global economic downturns, high inflation, and competition from the Far East have further impacted Varta's business. Porsche involvement: Porsche is reportedly exploring potential investments in Varta, with the possibility of taking a minority stake or providing funding. Supply chain issues: Varta has also faced disruptions due to global supply chain problems. Energy storage business: Lower-than-expected demand for energy storage solutions has also contributed to Varta's financial woes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgh Posted April 23 Share #58 Posted April 23 (edited) On 4/19/2025 at 6:19 PM, crf59 said: As I said before, this is just plain brand arrogance. If enough people complain, maybe they'll get the message. Coddling them and just saying "it happens" is poor recompense for what has become an epidemic at Leica. Leica has had decades and decades of brand arrogance and have seen no reason to change. This was on display well before the battery issue and in fact is a marketing strategy that is explicitly employed. No reason to think the attitude wouldn’t permeate every facet of the brand. They literally trade on their image as much as their tools. I don’t think complaints will matter much - the vibe is “you’ll take what we give you and you’ll like it” and more or less, they make a killing on that as it is. Why change? Which sucks, because the tools are unique and useful. I love my M10’s and I hate that nothing else is like them. I’d prefer to send my money to Pentax or Fuji or something, but they can’t make something that hits the same notes. Anyways, for my part, I gave one of my preferred retailers a heads up 6 weeks ago I’d like a battery when one comes. I’ve got one now. I didn’t panic or try hard, just waited a little and sent one email. I’ve seen other signs of the supply issue easing. But of course no word from Leica, and no real word to their dealers either, which is just an extra level of it all. Edited April 23 by pgh 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crem Posted April 24 Share #59 Posted April 24 (edited) I see comments that this is a shipping issue or a supply chain issue, but is there any actual proof of that? I find it impossible to believe that Leica couldn't find a way to ship larger quantities of batteries to the USA if they really wanted to do so. Especially since they are trickling in. They have now had something like 2 years to figure it out. It's clearly being done with intent at this point. Sony, Canon, Fuji, Panasonic, the M11, the SL3, etc all somehow end up with plenty of batteries here in the USA. The constrained supply is being done with intent. I assume the M10 battery is now considered a spare part instead of a regularly stocked item. A good nudge to encourage people to upgrade. Then the dealers can resell the M10 with a new batteries that they buy as spare parts. Edited April 24 by Crem Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgh Posted April 24 Share #60 Posted April 24 (edited) ^ Leica’s lack of communication leads to legitimate speculation about any number of potential problems. Their marketing department knows that this is what happens in the absence of good information and must clearly prefer that be the case. Your reasoning is as plausible as any. That would be disappointing. I do not like, nor have any needs for an M11 series body and would hope they would avoid such planned obsolescence for a camera body that is (on the outside at least), meant to last. But, if there’s one thing that luxury brands excel at it, it is planned obsolescence or convincing a consumer the perfectly good thing they have is indeed trash and in need of more more more newer better etc. Edited April 24 by pgh Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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