Corius Posted September 27 Share #1 Posted September 27 Advertisement (gone after registration) The biggest issue I'm having with my transition to the M11-P is keeping my greasy finger prints away from the viewfinder and rangefinder lenses. I'm also using a diopter and that gets greasy too. Apart from wearing cotton gloves and shaving my eyelashes off are there any tips you can shed on how to keep things clean. For example, are there any products that can make the lenses less susceptible to grease, or do I simply have to practice keeping my fingers away from where they shouldn't be? Also, how tough is the glass used for the viewfinder and rangefinder lenses? I'm guessing that wiping with a well used handkerchief isn't the best thing to do! Thanks for any advice. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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newtoleica Posted September 27 Share #2 Posted September 27 Keep a soft microfibre cloth handy. a bit of cotton clothing is fine to wipe the VF etc on the run….. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceflynn Posted September 27 Share #3 Posted September 27 Leica sells a microfiber lens cloth . I do not see it on the main Leica website. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted September 27 Share #4 Posted September 27 54 minutes ago, ceflynn said: Leica sells a microfiber lens cloth . I do not see it on the main Leica website. Zeiss. Package of 2 - $9.95 on Amazon. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted September 28 Share #5 Posted September 28 I never go out with an M without also carrying a good microfiber cloth. Second nature by now. Some local opticians practically give them away, especially if buying glasses or cleaning solution. As an eyeglass user, I collect them, it seems. Some suitable for cleaning high quality eyeglasses can also be bought from Amazon in packs of 6 for about 10 bucks. My local camera shop keeps them by the register, as an impulse buy… about $3.50 I think. One can learn to be mindful of finger placement, but smudges are inevitable. Best to be prepared. Jeff Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Blanko Posted September 28 Share #6 Posted September 28 Well, the best practice is of course to keep any greasy fingers etc. away from any optical surface. But as mysteriously sometimes grease is nevertheless found on especially the viewfinder windows, I use microfiber cloth. If needed for cleaning improvement, I also combine this with isopropanol, highly pure quality. Since COVID arrived, I have a small spraying bottle in my pocket for disinfecting - and now also for fighting fingerprints. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobonli Posted September 28 Share #7 Posted September 28 Advertisement (gone after registration) You already know the answer by now but I'll add: I returned to M cameras a couple of years ago with an M4-P. After awhile things weren't as crisp in the RF and I attributed it to my eyeglass RX changing. Then I thought to look at the front of the camera and saw fingerprints. I've carried a small microfibre cloth since then. I keep mine in a small baggie so it doesn't get wet or pick up dust. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceflynn Posted September 28 Share #8 Posted September 28 (edited) 17 hours ago, jdlaing said: Zeiss. Package of 2 - $9.95 on Amazon. CVS pharmacies sell a Zeiss Lens Cleaning Kit, containing one microfiber cloth and a 2-ounce bottle of lens cleaner. They also sell boxes of 60 or 100 Zeiss Lens Wipes. They do not sell the box of 600 Zeiss Lens Wipes that I was amazed to see recently in an office that had just been renovated. Edited September 28 by ceflynn 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted September 28 Share #9 Posted September 28 I've never understood why the front glass of the rangefinder is flush with the body. A slightly raised rim around it like some of the old film Ms would help. Currently there are no tactile cues to know your fingers are near or on the rangefinder glass. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceflynn Posted September 28 Share #10 Posted September 28 (edited) 19 minutes ago, hdmesa said: I've never understood why the front glass of the rangefinder is flush with the body. A slightly raised rim around it like some of the old film Ms would help. Currently there are no tactile cues to know your fingers are near or on the rangefinder glass. If you have access to the Wall Street Journal, be sure to read this article, published yesterday: Touch Screens Are Over. Even Apple Is Bringing Back Buttons. There are interesting and sometimes alarming comments by readers about the lack of tactile cues in many recent car models. Edited September 28 by ceflynn 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted September 28 Share #11 Posted September 28 6 minutes ago, ceflynn said: If you have access to the Wall Street Journal, be sure to read this article, published yesterday: Touch Screens Are Over. Even Apple Is Bringing Back Buttons. There are interesting and sometimes alarming comments by readers about the lack of tactile cues in many recent car models. I don't have access to the WSJ because paying for internet content is something from the 1990s But yes, car designers have lost their minds. Just give me a physical A/C dials that control fan speed, temperature, and vent position. Mini Cooper vehicles went from having amazing manual controls to putting everything on a giant circular screen in the middle of the dash. We will never upgrade our Countryman now. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derbyshire Man Posted September 28 Share #12 Posted September 28 Some things are better by touch screen like navigation. Core basics like heating, volume, channel up down are best by physical controls that can have muscle memory. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted September 28 Share #13 Posted September 28 On 9/27/2024 at 6:32 PM, Corius said: I'm guessing that wiping with a well used handkerchief isn't the best thing to do! I find that wearing a fleece helps no end. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted September 28 Share #14 Posted September 28 40 minutes ago, hdmesa said: I don't have access to the WSJ because paying for internet content is something from the 1990s But yes, car designers have lost their minds. Just give me a physical A/C dials that control fan speed, temperature, and vent position. Mini Cooper vehicles went from having amazing manual controls to putting everything on a giant circular screen in the middle of the dash. We will never upgrade our Countryman now. More importantly, a significant safety hazard in cars, requiring drivers to look at and navigate screens. Jeff 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceflynn Posted September 28 Share #15 Posted September 28 53 minutes ago, hdmesa said: I don't have access to the WSJ because paying for internet content is something from the 1990s But yes, car designers have lost their minds. Just give me a physical A/C dials that control fan speed, temperature, and vent position. Mini Cooper vehicles went from having amazing manual controls to putting everything on a giant circular screen in the middle of the dash. We will never upgrade our Countryman now. From the article: Newer electric vehicles from BMW Mini are bristling with physical controls. To make it so drivers never have to take their eyes off the road, industrial designers at Mini put into their vehicles a user-customizable head-up display that drivers can navigate using buttons and a scroll wheel on the steering wheel, says Patrick McKenna, head of product and marketing at Mini USA. These controls can also be accessed through the vehicle’s round touch screen, and via a voice assistant. The entire point of the vehicle’s interfaces is redundancy, safety and a reduction in distractions, he adds. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted September 28 Share #16 Posted September 28 2 hours ago, ceflynn said: ...Newer electric vehicles from BMW Mini are bristling with physical controls. To make it so drivers never have to take their eyes off the road, industrial designers at Mini put into their vehicles a user-customizable head-up display that drivers can navigate using buttons and a scroll wheel on the steering wheel, says Patrick McKenna, head of product and marketing at Mini USA. These controls can also be accessed through the vehicle’s round touch screen, and via a voice assistant. The entire point of the vehicle’s interfaces is redundancy, safety and a reduction in distractions, he adds. The idea that Mini's next generation vehicles are "bristling" with physical controls is odd – maybe compared to an iPhone, but not to their own previous generation of vehicles. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted September 28 Share #17 Posted September 28 2 hours ago, ceflynn said: From the article: Newer electric vehicles from BMW Mini are bristling with physical controls. To make it so drivers never have to take their eyes off the road, industrial designers at Mini put into their vehicles a user-customizable head-up display that drivers can navigate using buttons and a scroll wheel on the steering wheel, says Patrick McKenna, head of product and marketing at Mini USA. These controls can also be accessed through the vehicle’s round touch screen, and via a voice assistant. The entire point of the vehicle’s interfaces is redundancy, safety and a reduction in distractions, he adds. I find head up displays just another distraction. And scrolling on a steering wheel bothersome. Voice assistant, no thanks. Physical buttons and knobs suit me just fine for basic functions. All these design geniuses are probably the same ones who insist on putting piano black plastic everywhere these days. Jeff 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted September 28 Share #18 Posted September 28 14 minutes ago, Jeff S said: I find head up displays just another distraction. And scrolling on a steering wheel bothersome. Voice assistant, no thanks. Physical buttons and knobs suit me just fine for basic functions. All these design geniuses are probably the same ones who insist on putting piano black plastic everywhere these days. Jeff Don't get me started on piano black plastic, lol. What kind of mentally unstable people would want that? 🙈 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corius Posted September 28 Author Share #19 Posted September 28 4 minutes ago, hdmesa said: Don't get me started on piano black plastic, lol. What kind of mentally unstable people would want that? 🙈 Pianists? 😉 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corius Posted September 28 Author Share #20 Posted September 28 On 9/27/2024 at 9:22 PM, jdlaing said: Zeiss. Package of 2 - $9.95 on Amazon. Thanks for the tip, I've just ordered a pack. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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