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Exposure Compensation on Thumbwheel -- accidental nudge?


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I would like to ask any M11 users who have exposure comp set on their thumbwheel -- does it get nudged by mistake, eg putting camera in and out of bag?

If it does get adjusted, then the EV value is displayed in the OVF for 0.5s but that sounds rather easy to miss, especially if the camera is not held up to your eye at the time.

I know that exp comp will be shown on the back screen, but sometimes people have that switched off and I am specifically asking because it looks like the M11-D will have full time exposure comp on the thumbwheel and I'd like to know if that would be a pain? (Especially for someone like me who never uses it ...)

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vor einer Stunde schrieb Datsch:

does it get nudged by mistake

I have the same problem. When I shoot in portrait format, I hold the camera in such a way that I occasionally adjust the thumbwheel. However, you can also switch off the thumbwheel or use the focus magnifier instead of exposure compensation. If you want to use the thumbwheel for exposure compensation with this setting, you can set the thumbwheel as a function button: Long press on the thumbwheel, select exposure compensation and confirm. Now the exposure compensation is only adjusted if you press the thumbwheel briefly before making the adjustment.

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I love the current setup. If there is any exposure compensation there is a dot in the lower part of the LED. It takes a split second to check, you can alter the compensation without moving the camera from your eye in another split second.

If you don't like it behaving like that you can stop it from doing so and change the function so that you have to spend 10 seconds doing it instead, if that is your want!

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On the M-D you have to hold the top plate function button AND turn the thumbwheel at the same time, so you can't do it by mistake ...

@elmars @Derbyshire Man thanks for the tips. It looks like from the M11-D quickstart guide you won't be able to change the role of the thumbwheel -- at least not without pressing the wheel for 12 seconds to activate WiFi and then doing the change via Fotos ... We'll have to wait for the offical realease and  the full manual to know for sure.

So for the M11-D I guess it will be a question of keeping an eye out for the blinking dot, and then nudging the wheel deliberately back and forth to reveal the current setting .... or setting it back to zero, whereupon the dot should stop blinking and disappear ...

 

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1 minute ago, Viv said:

There is no exposure dial.

Exposure compensation, 'nuff said. Who ever uses the ISO dial? Got ISO set with the thumbweel. Exposure compensation instead of ISO, makes all the sense in the world 📷

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Doesn’t anybody use manual exposure? I hardly ever use A as the traditional triangles and click counting are far more intuitive. And fixed ISO. All that automation and fiddling is so Sony. 

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3 minutes ago, jaapv said:

Doesn’t anybody use manual exposure? I hardly ever use A as the traditional triangles and click counting are far more intuitive. And fixed ISO. All that automation and fiddling is so Sony. 

A is easy and helpful. M for street shooting or other faster exposure requirements.

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14 minutes ago, jaapv said:

Doesn’t anybody use manual exposure? I hardly ever use A as the traditional triangles and click counting are far more intuitive. And fixed ISO. All that automation and fiddling is so Sony. 

I do. Often.

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Using an M camera in my book means going back to the essence of photography. Aperture and shutter speed,  ISO fixed to the conditions. The rest is up to the photographer. No camera controlling the user. 

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2 hours ago, jaapv said:

All that automation and fiddling is so Sony. 

Ouch! The ultimate photographer's insult! 😂

So when you count clicks, are you simply keeping track in a relative way? ie 3 clicks up on the aperture for more DoF so I'll go down three clicks on the speed to end up with the same exposure.

Or, do you actually keep track in your head in absolute terms, ie OK now I am going from 500 to 125?

I ask this as when I am in manual mode and I simply follow the arrow / triangle I worry my shutter speed has gotten too slow, so I have to take my eye off the viewfinder and check the speed, which seems a little clunky. Whereas in A mode I like seeing the speed in that big ol' 1970s LED readout ...

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2 hours ago, THEME said:

Got ISO set with the thumbweel.

Yes, with the M11-D I can also set it that way (M-ISO) so the thumbwheel sets ISO and you can see in the viewfinder what setting you have chosen, I think I would like to try that should I get an M11-D ...

What a cool URL you have, BTW...

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8 hours ago, jaapv said:

Using an M camera in my book means going back to the essence of photography. Aperture and shutter speed,  ISO fixed to the conditions. The rest is up to the photographer. No camera controlling the user. 

For this very reason, I keep a Holga camera with me (the best M camera a person could ask for).

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6 hours ago, Datsch said:

Ouch! The ultimate photographer's insult! 😂

So when you count clicks, are you simply keeping track in a relative way? ie 3 clicks up on the aperture for more DoF so I'll go down three clicks on the speed to end up with the same exposure.

Or, do you actually keep track in your head in absolute terms, ie OK now I am going from 500 to 125?

I ask this as when I am in manual mode and I simply follow the arrow / triangle I worry my shutter speed has gotten too slow, so I have to take my eye off the viewfinder and check the speed, which seems a little clunky. Whereas in A mode I like seeing the speed in that big ol' 1970s LED readout ...

Even if at my age my short term memory is even more dodgy than it always used to be, I do manage to recall my initial settings. 🤪

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10 hours ago, THEME said:

Whatever, the ISO dial should be the exposure dial.

It would be awkward to adjust when looking through the viewfinder (assuming you meant exposure compensation dial).

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