M10 batteries almost FULLY out of stock?

[tappan]

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How can this be?
Seems true.
Try to buy a new M10 battery.
Mark

[jdlaing]

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1312554-REG/leica_24003_bp_scl5_lithium_ion_battery_pack.html

https://classicconnection.com/product/leica-m10-battery-bp-scl5-lithium-ion-battery-pack-7-4v-1300mah-cat-24003-new/

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[tappan]

2 hours ago, jdlaing said:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1312554-REG/leica_24003_bp_scl5_lithium_ion_battery_pack.html

https://classicconnection.com/product/leica-m10-battery-bp-scl5-lithium-ion-battery-pack-7-4v-1300mah-cat-24003-new/

https://www.pictureline.com/products/leica-bp-scl5-battery-m10

Thank you. BH must have got them today.

[Al Brown]

There will be batteries available at least 5 years from the M10-R (the last body that uses them) end-of-product-life. Hopefully much longer.
The M10-R and M10 Monochrom were discontinued December 2022/January 2023.

Edited May 8 by Al Brown

[Al Brown]

An encouraging fact - the M240 series batteries are still widely available at Leica stores.

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[RexGig0]

I ordered two more M10 batteries, yesterday, from B&H Photo Video. (New York City, USA.) Alarmingly, they showed the BP-SCL2 battery, for the 240-series, to be “discontinued,” so, I checked other sites. Leica Store Miami showed “out of stock.” Today, I checked Adorama, a large NY/NJ USA store, and ordered FOUR Leica BP-SCL2 batteries. That was a significant investment, of course, so, I had to really think about it, but, I made a commitment, about two years ago, to keep using my M10 and M Type 246 cameras indefinitely, rather than “upgrade.” (I may yet add a pre-owned M10 Monochrom, sooner or later, if/when  the prices fall significantly more, but do not plan to trade-away an original M10 or a Monochrom 246 for it.)

For reference, regarding longevity, I have 2002-era Nikon cameras, with electronics, that continue to function. D2hs, a DSLR, and F6, 35mm film SLR; rather heavy, and specialized tools, so, only occasionally used, but still functional. (I did not start using SLRs or DSLRs until 2010, so, bought these pre-owned.) 

Edited May 9 by RexGig0

[RexGig0]

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On 5/9/2024 at 11:37 AM, RexGig0 said:

I ordered two more M10 batteries, yesterday, from B&H Photo Video. (New York City, USA.) Alarmingly, they showed the BP-SCL2 battery, for the 240-series, to be “discontinued,” so, I checked other sites. Leica Store Miami showed “out of stock.” Today, I checked Adorama, a large NY/NJ USA store, and ordered FOUR Leica BP-SCL2 batteries. That was a significant investment, of course, so, I had to really think about it, but, I made a commitment, about two years ago, to keep using my M10 and M Type 246 cameras indefinitely, rather than “upgrade.” (I may yet add a pre-owned M10 Monochrom, sooner or later, if/when  the prices fall significantly more, but do not plan to trade-away an original M10 or a Monochrom 246 for it.)

For reference, regarding longevity, I have 2002-era Nikon cameras, with electronics, that continue to function. D2hs, a DSLR, and F6, 35mm film SLR; rather heavy, and specialized tools, so, only occasionally used, but still functional. (I did not start using SLRs or DSLRs until 2010, so, bought these pre-owned.) 

Well, I just learned that Adorama only had one BP-SCL2 battery, for the 240/246, which was shipped. Three are in “back ordered” status. My BP-SCL5 batteries, for the M10, successfully shipped from B&H.

Edited May 10 by RexGig0

[brickftl]

On 5/9/2024 at 12:37 PM, RexGig0 said:

I ordered two more M10 batteries, yesterday, from B&H Photo Video. (New York City, USA.) Alarmingly, they showed the BP-SCL2 battery, for the 240-series, to be “discontinued,” so, I checked other sites. Leica Store Miami showed “out of stock.” Today, I checked Adorama, a large NY/NJ USA store, and ordered FOUR Leica BP-SCL2 batteries. That was a significant investment, of course, so, I had to really think about it, but, I made a commitment, about two years ago, to keep using my M10 and M Type 246 cameras indefinitely, rather than “upgrade.” (I may yet add a pre-owned M10 Monochrom, sooner or later, if/when  the prices fall significantly more, but do not plan to trade-away an original M10 or a Monochrom 246 for it.)

For reference, regarding longevity, I have 2002-era Nikon cameras, with electronics, that continue to function. D2hs, a DSLR, and F6, 35mm film SLR; rather heavy, and specialized tools, so, only occasionally used, but still functional. (I did not start using SLRs or DSLRs until 2010, so, bought these pre-owned.) 

I bought a mint used M10 in February (including battery, don't know if it's original, but it holds a charge just fine), and also bought another one. I wouldn't be adverse to buying another 1 or 2 as insurance, but I read that even unused batteries have a shelf life, so I'm not sure about buying them. Have you investigated shelf life of new unused batteries?

[jdlaing]

3 hours ago, brickftl said:

I bought a mint used M10 in February (including battery, don't know if it's original, but it holds a charge just fine), and also bought another one. I wouldn't be adverse to buying another 1 or 2 as insurance, but I read that even unused batteries have a shelf life, so I'm not sure about buying them. Have you investigated shelf life of new unused batteries?

If they have been sitting unused for a really long time they may be dead dead. If they will take a charge they are fine. If you’re storing them you should charge them every six months or so if they need it. 

[RexGig0]

15 hours ago, brickftl said:

I bought a mint used M10 in February (including battery, don't know if it's original, but it holds a charge just fine), and also bought another one. I wouldn't be adverse to buying another 1 or 2 as insurance, but I read that even unused batteries have a shelf life, so I'm not sure about buying them. Have you investigated shelf life of new unused batteries?

I agree with jdlaing, in that unused batteries should be charged, from time to time. A best practice would be to create a schedule, and mark it in a calendar.

I have recently read advice that indicated that charging, each time, to a full 100% is not a best practice for lithium-ion batteries.

My BP-SCL5 batteries, for the M10, do not hold a stable charge, over a several-week period, whether in the camera, or not. I keep mine next to my MacBook, so that I am reminded, and can check them fairly regularly. I no longer keep them fully topped-up, but, do not let them completely self-discharge. Somewhere in the range of 45% to 55% seems to be a good time, to my mind, to recharge a battery, whether it has been sitting unused, or is being used.

Notably, the long-held belief that a battery should be run completely to zero, periodically, to prevent it from developing a “memory,” is something that pre-dates lithium-ion batteries, and today’s smarter chargers. It is NO LONGER a best practice to run a rechargeable battery to 0%.

My BP-SCL2 batteries hold a much better charge, for a very long time, whether inside the camera, or on the shelf. When the camera is in actual use, a BP-SCL2 has amazing endurance, compared to a BP-SCL5 inside an M10. 

I do not claim to be an expert. Please do confirm everything I have written, by consulting other sources.

[RexGig0]

On 5/10/2024 at 4:53 PM, RexGig0 said:

Well, I just learned that Adorama only had one BP-SCL2 battery, for the 240/246, which was shipped. Three are in “back ordered” status. My BP-SCL5 batteries, for the M10, successfully shipped from B&H.

Well, on the 28th of May, 2024, I received an update from Adorama, regarding my three back-ordered BP-SCL2 batteries, for the M Type 240-series. The batteries were “cancelled” from the order. Two back-ordered flash shoe covers, ordered at the same time, remained in back-ordered status. (The 240 and 246 use a unique flash shoe cover, and also seals the opening, on the rear of the camera, for the EVF-2.) So, I then ordered three BP-SCL2 batteries from two other on-line camera stores, which depleted each of their stock of this battery.

I then went to the Adorama site, and did a search for the BP-SCL2, to see whether there might be a mention of whether the item was discontinued or back-ordered. The only result I received was for the Leica charger, for the BP-SCL2. Adorama showed the M10’s BP-SCL5 to be “Temporarily on Back-order.”

Camera West, a Leica dealer in the USA, with multiple locations, showed to have both the BP-SCL2 and BP-SCL5 in stock.

Leica Store Miami still shows out-of-stock, of both the BP-SCL2, and the M10’s BP-SCL5. This has been so, for a while.

B&H, in NYC, still has the BP-SCL5, for the M10, in stock, and still shows the M 240-series’ BP-SCL2 to be “discontinued.”

Norman Camera, a Leica dealer with two locations in Michigan, USA, showed both the BP-SCL2 and BP-SCL5 to be “temporarily on back-order.”

All of these results were obtained on May 28th, in the evening time, in the USA.

It is not my intention to be alarmist. I am glad that I was able to buy two new BP-SCL5 batteries, and four new BP-SCL2 batteries, this year. (Of course, I “should not count my chickens before they are hatched,” so, will not crow too loudly, about the three batteries not yet received.)

Edited May 29 by RexGig0

[brickftl]

I just ordered one from B&H https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1312554-REG/leica_24003_bp_scl5_lithium_ion_battery_pack.html

 

[Al Brown]

Usually available in EU.

[CP93]

On 5/8/2024 at 12:58 PM, tappan said:

How can this be?
Seems true.
Try to buy a new M10 battery.
Mark

I did.

[tappan]

2 minutes ago, CP93 said:

I did.

Me too, a few weeks after my post.